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hello everyone and welcome to the show i

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am martin willis your host

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and wow look behind me it's a i was

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wondering what it was it

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looks like a ufo in the uh skyline but

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it's actually the sunshine coming in

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through the window

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for those of you in youtube i am not

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going to be abducted as far as i know

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so uh welcome to the show and uh tonight

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we have two guests

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the first guest is irene previn and she

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is uh in australia it's uh wednesday

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morning there

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and uh yesterday in australia which is

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uh the date today april 6 is uh the 55th

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anniversary of west hall so she's going

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to be

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talking about that for about the first

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20 minutes or so

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we'll take a quick not even a less than

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a minute break

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and bring in stan gordon for the

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remainder of the show

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and uh again thank you so much for uh

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tuning in

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and uh over on our website which is

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podcast ufo.com

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join our mailing list and see what's

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coming up every week

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along with the weekly uh blogs that are

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up there

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and um just a couple days after april

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first

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charles leader sent this wonderful uh

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blog to us and

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uh check it out it's called april fool's

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days

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joke uh ufo uh uh let me do the title of

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that over again

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ufo april fool's day jokes and there are

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uh some really good examples of some

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uh jokes and and like uh like a lot of

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lure in the ufo world a lot of people

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are

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taking things seriously after years go

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by

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there's a great image of these people

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that in brazil that i think was brazil

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but um no uh anyway that's where it was

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published but it's uh was called the

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silverman

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and isaac coy and they have this little

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like small

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tiny alien they're holding hands with

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and it was a it was

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april fool's hoax which ended up uh

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several years later people finding the

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old photograph

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and saying oh it's got to be real

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and so a lot of people were believing it

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as real this has happened many times in

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the ufo world unfortunately

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um so you got to check your sources

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always and

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so his uh his story is on april fools

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um so i hope someday that one of my

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shows will land on april fool's and i'm

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gonna have to

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no i shouldn't warn you now but uh i'll

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probably have to do something about that

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that should be fun i hope anyway

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um so also anyone can support the show

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for two dollars or more a month and that

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information is over on our website it's

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through patreon

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and uh i think that is about it i want

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to do

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i do want to thank everyone that helps

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out with the show behind the scenes we

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got bill over there

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we cannot take calls unfortunately

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tonight because uh

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stan gordon is uh the old-fashioned type

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phone guy

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so we'll be on the line with him and

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uh so that's it i'm going to bring in

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uh irene from australia welcome to the

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show irene

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good morning how are you good morning

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it is morning for you bright and early

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it is it's even before breakfast

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that's right yeah it's always good to

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know to talk to you that we made it to

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an another day we made it into the

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future

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um so so tell us what um for the person

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there's a lot of people

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that are new listening to the show and

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yeah i'd say 90 of them out there know

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all about west all but this is the 55th

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anniversary can you do like a

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uh say hello to everyone do it like a

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nutshell

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okay hello everyone thank you for having

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me on the show

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um yeah the westall incident happened on

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the 6th of april

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1966. um

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basically the ufo was first seen by

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some school kids i think gazing out the

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window just

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waiting before recess time which is

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uh 22 quarter to 11 here in australia so

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we'll have a morning recess at school

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um so um from what i understand

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a couple of couple of things happen kids

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were on the school level playing sport

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and there were kids in the science class

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that spotted it and ran to the window

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because somebody yelled out look there's

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a ufo

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so the teacher the science teacher lost

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control of the class at that point

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while the kids ran to the window and

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looked looked at what was

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hovering outside so it was hovering

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quite close um the school

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has um an oval and some power grid

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a power grid um and it was hovering just

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above the power grid

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um but actually other people

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saw as i observed it they saw three

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there were a report of at least three

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that were

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seen and as the kids were watching some

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light planes came in

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and the ufos were playing cat and mouse

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with these light planes

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um so interesting um the

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um i i think

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maybe martin if you could show i've

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actually created some images i'm an

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artist and

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a graphic designer um and i've created

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some images to

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illustrate this um the first one um

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people that saw that the the children

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that saw

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um the ufo and most of them were

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um high school aged children so they

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were aged between

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12 and 17. um a lot of kids were playing

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sport and so they were outdoors and they

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just looked out

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and saw this thing hovering near the

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power grid

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um and it's reported as a silvery um

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saucer shack object when i showed this

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i actually uh spoke to colin kelly about

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it he was one of the kids playing

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cricket on the oval at the time

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and he described the shape of the object

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and i pulled out the image captured over

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costa rica in 1971

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i think it was a national geographic

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survey um

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photograph of a ufo was captured then

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i showed the image to colin and he said

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yes it was very similar

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so i based my um my um

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reconstruction on that ufo um the

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ufo i've created in a mechanical

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engineering drafting program so actually

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eventually i can make a 3d model of it

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even probably fabricate it in metal

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which would be pretty exciting

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so the next image um if you could call

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that up please

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okay so the ufos vanished they sort of

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headed off in a direction and the kids

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went screaming after them

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um but meanwhile um over near the grange

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which is a

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a reserve a little park there was um

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adjacent to that a market garden where

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um a young

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fellow was pulling up carrots with his

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boss he was working at the market garden

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and he pulled as he was pulling up

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carrots he said he sort of

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lifted his head up and he saw this

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object hovering

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and he looked at it and thought what the

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hell is that is somebody playing a

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practical joke

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and as he observed it it um changed from

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being a solid silver object and cycling

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through various colors and then it

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drifted through the trees

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and i asked him what do you mean did it

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drift through the trees i mean the trees

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are quite close

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together how could an object that size

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move um in between them and he said no

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it drifted through the trees like smoke

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so it became uh ghost-like or

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transparent and

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went through the trees and um so this is

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what i've tried to recreate

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with the object looking a little

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transparent in this

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artwork here that you're seeing um

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irene now is the uh is the object

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depicted here is it forward

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of the trees in other words are the

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trees between

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the object and the eyesight and we're

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seeing transparent through it

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transparent it was transparent which is

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really strange

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had structure

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and then it became transparent so when

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you first saw it it was in a different

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position

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and then it moved so it it it was

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it was solid and then he said it was

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like a tv losing transmission

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so it was sort of like uh

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you know when the tv sort of the picture

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sort of quality

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starts to um flash or

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lose transmission he said it sort of

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cycled through these colors and became

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transparent and moved through the trees

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so i'm very excited to be meeting

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everybody on

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um saturday along with

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journalist ross coltard who will be

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interviewing

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the witnesses there's one more image i'd

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like to show you

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martin yeah um so

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here we go this image once again showing

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well it's interesting because these are

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the uh sketches that

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um i got the witnesses to draw for james

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fox when he was

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filming the phenomenon so i've taken all

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the sketches they were torn out from

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pages of my sketchbook i just tore out

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pages and gave it to the witnesses and

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they

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but it's interesting because um you can

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see all the different shapes

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um so i put them together in this

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collage

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and you can see all the different shapes

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that people remember

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um so it'll be interesting to see when i

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show

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these final artworks to the witnesses on

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saturday to see

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what you know how many people think that

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it's close to what they saw

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so some of the witnesses saying oh i'm

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not really good at drawing but i'll do

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my best

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but so yeah you can

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seem to see the variety of what was

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remembered after 55 years

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but still i guess basically the same

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shape isn't it

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uh yeah a lot of it is now let me ask

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this because i know um

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as far as like the arielle school

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incident um

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they the i think believe it was one

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teacher had the foresight

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to have all the kids draw what they saw

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which i think was wonderful do you

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happen to know if people

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made any uh contemporary records of what

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they saw

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well they were told to um forget about

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it

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uh they were told that they were um

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the the military did come and um

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go over the site because crop circles

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were marks were left on the ground and

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they were seen to uh go over them and

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then remove them by witnesses

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but then also the military

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representatives came to this

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the headmaster and had a word with him

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and he the

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the children said or the the grown-ups

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now they remember

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having school assembly and the um

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the headmaster telling them not to talk

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about it that they'd

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you know we're not we're not supposed to

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um

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express it or talk about it with each

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other the media actually came at the

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time

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and they were not they're actually

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forbidden to talk to the media as well

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so it's highly unlikely that they would

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have been encouraged to

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draw anything or it was very very much

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suppressed in 1966 it's quite different

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to

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in the 90s i think things had opened up

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a little bit as far as

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people's um uh open-mindedness about

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this topic i think

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but in 66 middle of the cold war um

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yeah it was not talked about at all it

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was

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an environment of fear basically right

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now i know

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um i know that in speaking to a few of

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the witnesses

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at the ariel school and um i just loaded

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a tape we're gonna

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play um on the top of the hour on the on

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the break

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of one of the witnesses that it

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they uh or or one of them i spoke to

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said

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she had never heard you know she was i

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forget exactly whole

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eight or nine years old but in south

343
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africa where they were and everything

344
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she had just and no tv she had just

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never heard of a flying saucer ufo or

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anything like that so

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it was like what the heck she had no

348
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idea what she was seeing

349
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and the beings that came out um she had

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no idea

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uh what they were skin like porcelain

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and and

353
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all these uh strange things but um yeah

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and and it does it does uh kind of blows

355
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your mind when you hear

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these stories but one of the things that

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people say a lot

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um to me is you know why do you rehash

359
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all these old cases

360
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but there is the general response is a

361
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lot of times when you're rehashing these

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little cases

363
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more information actually comes out

364
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somehow

365
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it seems to happen do you find that

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happening with this

367
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well it's very exciting that um shane

368
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ryan is perpetually on this he's the

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main investigator on this

370
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and ross coltard who's a 60 minutes um

371
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guy here he's synonymous with 60 minutes

372
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here he's a very

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prominent mainstream journalist he's

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teamed up with with shane ryan and

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they've been

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searching for more information together

377
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now ross

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is launching a book um uh that is

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published by harpercollins

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um which is a very conservative um i

381
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don't know it's an international

382
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publishing house um the ceo of

383
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harpercollins

384
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is happens to be the brother of eddie

385
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redmayne

386
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apparently um very pro

387
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and very interested in ufos um and when

388
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ross made his pitch to harper collins

389
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about

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um writing this book

391
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um charlie happened to be there in

392
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sydney at the time

393
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and he thinks that he wouldn't have got

394
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it across the line to have it published

395
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in the mainstream

396
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if it wasn't for charlie redmayne's

397
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interest in ufos

398
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now ross covered the rendelsham forest

399
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um story

400
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back in 2008 for 60 minutes um

401
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he's yeah it's it's quite exciting that

402
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a very

403
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um accomplished and respected mainstream

404
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australian journalist

405
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is interested in this case and

406
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interested in the wider ufo picture

407
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,000
and will be he's in the process of

408
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interviewing and making a documentary

409
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for television um and we'll be

410
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there on saturday talking to the

411
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witnesses so

412
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we are very excited about what he will

413
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uncover um because he

414
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:37,519
is a guy that goes into things very

415
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deeply and

416
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is very resourceful and able to uncover

417
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things that

418
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other people are not able to get to so

419
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yeah that's great

420
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so hopefully we'll have him on the show

421
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:49,360
that would be nice to have that that'll

422
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be good yeah

423
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i'll be very excited to see him on on

424
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the show

425
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um so perhaps later in the year once the

426
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book is launched

427
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yep and there's the cover of the book

428
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that will be launched and you said that

429
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was in september or sometime like that

430
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:02,959
right

431
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:06,839
um it's uh july august probably

432
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yeah so okay probably yeah if you go on

433
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amazon

434
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:12,639
or harpercollins you'll see it and it

435
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will say

436
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,040
i'm pretty sure it says july there so

437
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:19,839
um this one question i i know i i

438
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,920
probably asked you this before but i i

439
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,880
do know that

440
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i have a really big audience in

441
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australia per capita

442
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,279
compared to the us or any other place

443
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:31,040
you have like something like 26 million

444
00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:32,480
people and it's one of the top

445
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,040
listening countries to the show hello

446
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:36,959
australians

447
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and and why why would you suppose is is

448
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it just

449
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,600
not taboo there or why do you suppose

450
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:45,199
it's very taboo

451
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,560
it's very maybe that's why they're

452
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,639
watching um

453
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,079
maybe that's why they're listening it's

454
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:51,680
taboo yeah

455
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,880
yeah yeah it's uh i think even

456
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:56,480
especially under uh

457
00:17:02,389 --> 00:16:59,600
people over 55 60

458
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,399
you'll mention the ufo or you if you're

459
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:04,079
associated with ufo you're

460
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:07,919
seen as a nutcase um people under

461
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:10,160
under that age group don't see it that

462
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:11,280
way but

463
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:14,480
um ah yeah i think that

464
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,160
the witnesses they suffered their whole

465
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,319
lives and were told that they were

466
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,199
delusional and hallucinated and these

467
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:22,720
people are not

468
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:25,839
that at all i've met them they're really

469
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:28,000
really straight people really honest

470
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,200
people

471
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,960
and what about the other things that

472
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:33,200
people consider paranormal i don't

473
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,720
i don't really consider um you know ufos

474
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:37,760
paranormal

475
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:40,400
myself because they're so you know often

476
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,440
seen and they are

477
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,440
something and there's so much evidence

478
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,880
that something is going on

479
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,640
but what about the other paranormal i

480
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,640
mean do you have the yeti there the

481
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:51,360
bigfoot or i mean anything like that

482
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:52,080
it's not

483
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something that i know much about um yeah

484
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:56,480
but i mean is it talked about in

485
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,640
australia or is it the taboo thing

486
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,240
as well as ufos everything's kind of

487
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:03,039
very very very french

488
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:06,240
yeah um there is a version um of the

489
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bigfoot

490
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,320
um yeah that um

491
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i think is prevalent in forest areas

492
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:13,679
such as well

493
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stories come out from areas adjacent to

494
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big forests like um

495
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in the uh in the sydney area around the

496
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,880
blue mountains it's very very thick

497
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forest and

498
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,880
people have reported encounters or

499
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:28,799
incidents with um

500
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,679
what we call in australia the yowie the

501
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,440
indigenous people have their own various

502
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names depending on

503
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which language group they belong to

504
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but that's not an area that i can really

505
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talk about because

506
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:45,039
like you paranormal is um interesting

507
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but not

508
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anything much that i've delved into as

509
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,799
much as i've delved into westall

510
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yeah yeah um now you i think of a lot of

511
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times i think of australia as

512
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all coastal or mostly coastal

513
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um occupied and then you have um

514
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:05,039
the outback uh you have like just miles

515
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and miles of

516
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not much right but i i believe we talked

517
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,080
about there are some in that area

518
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,000
there's there are some ufo

519
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,320
encounters a lot of them right yes um

520
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,240
well the state that i come from that i

521
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,640
was born in south australia is very

522
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:23,440
sparsely populated there is um the

523
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warmura

524
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,799
um test rocket range uh used to be a

525
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,000
test rocket range but i

526
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:30,080
believe that satellites are now being

527
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:31,280
launched from that

528
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,720
space um um spot that it's a space um

529
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,840
organisation that um is known in

530
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,720
australia

531
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,440
there's a very big no-fly zone um that

532
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,559
the military

533
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,440
um have got in south australia i think

534
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,360
about the third of the state is

535
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,480
um you can't get into it firstly because

536
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:53,600
of the marilinga

537
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:56,240
atomic testing so a lot of the radio

538
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,760
that a lot of the um

539
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,840
area in the desert is very radioactive

540
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,840
because of the british atomic testing

541
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,440
so that's one reason and the other

542
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,360
reason is who knows what's going on and

543
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,880
what's being tested it's sort of like

544
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,080
an area 51 of australia um so yeah

545
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,960
see people who go into the outback and

546
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,919
around warmura

547
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,080
and that sort of area do report seeing

548
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,840
strange things

549
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:20,159
also there's a guy called damian knott

550
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:20,960
who

551
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,919
lives in far north queensland i think in

552
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,280
the outback there

553
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,840
and he has got a lot of photographs and

554
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,440
a lot of um

555
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,679
has had a lot of experiences he would be

556
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,760
an interesting guest for you actually

557
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:36,000
if you'd like to talk about that i mean

558
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,799
not

559
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:39,360
yeah yeah so don't forget that name i'll

560
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,480
have to sorry

561
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,840
i said don't forget that name i'll have

562
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,840
to ask you i mean yeah so he

563
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:46,000
apparently is collecting a lot of data

564
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,120
um

565
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,919
yeah so all right but if you'd like to

566
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,960
see more

567
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,520
um or more closely or have a get a copy

568
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,559
of um

569
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,799
the images i've created please go to my

570
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,679
website iremprevin.com

571
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,280
all right we'll put that in the show

572
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,799
notes along with these images

573
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,720
irene thank you so much for getting up

574
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,120
extra early for me

575
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,760
pleasure lovely to see you again you bet

576
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,400
always

577
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,080
all right take care sure bye

578
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,840
all right everyone now we have our

579
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:17,520
guests uh coming on

580
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,799
uh from pennsylvania and uh stan

581
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,919
gordon welcome to the show stan

582
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,280
thanks martin thanks for having me back

583
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,520
on the program yeah i know

584
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,360
you i tried i was trying to figure out

585
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,520
how many times you've been on stand but

586
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,000
a number of times in the beginning so so

587
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:35,840
this shows coming up on 10 years

588
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,880
now you've probably been on uh this is

589
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,039
probably your 10th time

590
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,159
so and uh i remember

591
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,919
when i was doing the everything else

592
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,000
show we talked about other topics and

593
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,760
other than ufos it was very interesting

594
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,760
and i think you and i have

595
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,240
basically worn out the keksburg story i

596
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,520
believe don't you think at this time

597
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,919
uh yep there is so much other activity

598
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,840
going on including a recent

599
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,159
wave of activity here in pennsylvania

600
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,559
but uh yes i receive reports year after

601
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,240
year all year round and there's always

602
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,480
continuous ufo reports so there's

603
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,400
a lot of amazing cases going on out

604
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:13,679
there

605
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:16,720
wow yeah so let's uh let's talk about

606
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,120
what's

607
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,320
person who uh

608
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:22,080
has missed you like i mentioned irene

609
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,520
when i first brought her on and i say it

610
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,120
a lot because it's true

611
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,520
i get emails from new new listeners all

612
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,880
the time they're just starting to look

613
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:30,960
into the ufo topic so can you give them

614
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:31,360
a

615
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,159
old in 1965 when the textbook ufo

616
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,679
incident happened about 12 miles from

617
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,720
where i live

618
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,559
i started documenting that case from the

619
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,640
time it happened during that evening

620
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,559
and i've been involved in that case ever

621
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:09,679
since

622
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,360
um in the late 1960s i got involved with

623
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,960
a group called the ufo research

624
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,640
institute of pittsburgh i was the

625
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,640
youngster in the group as i recall

626
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,320
that's where stanton friedman started

627
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,039
with a small group of professionals uh

628
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,720
he was working at westinghouse at the

629
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,799
time and they had a ufo group they

630
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,919
started and

631
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,760
even though i was young i always had a

632
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,600
lot of experience interviewing witnesses

633
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:33,039
so i became the telephone side

634
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,919
coordinator

635
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,919
so when a call would come in i would get

636
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,159
the uh to obtain the information

637
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,000
interview the witness and determine if

638
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,480
the case warranted further investigation

639
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,159
and i stayed with them so they shut down

640
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,279
their group in 1969 i set up a hotline

641
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,360
for the public to report ufo sightings

642
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,880
has been active ever since and it's

643
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,840
still busy

644
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,640
through today and in 1970 i found the

645
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,880
first of three volunteer research groups

646
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,919
the first one was called the

647
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,919
westmoreland county ufo study group that

648
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,880
started here in

649
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,120
greensboro pa and we moved to the

650
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,559
pittsburgh area

651
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,600
by 1973 i had a set up that we uh

652
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,240
responded cases across the state the

653
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,679
group was kind of unique in that the

654
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,960
majority of people involved were

655
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,480
specialists we had scientists

656
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,440
engineers technicians jews pilots and

657
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,440
police officers and former military

658
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,919
people and all kind of specialists who

659
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,480
volunteered investigative reports around

660
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:26,720
our regular jobs day and night

661
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,159
and uh by 1973 we were very very busy

662
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,080
and to our surprise we were getting a

663
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,440
lot of referrals from

664
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,120
the news media the state police and

665
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:37,200
other agencies and so we were very very

666
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,080
busy

667
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,039
and that led up to 1973 when we had that

668
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,400
massive ufo

669
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,320
and even bigfoot wave here that i'm sure

670
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,240
you may want to talk about

671
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,159
yes right um one of the things i

672
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,320
mentioned in in the text in this

673
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,919
show is uh uh and i've have heard

674
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,679
you're not the first one to to bring

675
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,720
this up um but i have heard of the

676
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,640
the fish i'm sorry i shouldn't be

677
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,960
laughing i should not be laughing

678
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:05,279
but the bigfoot in ufo connection it

679
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:06,080
just

680
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,440
why i'm laughing and i do remember

681
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:14,000
someone on the show years ago mentioned

682
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:14,640
that

683
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,120
bigfoot in a ufo

684
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:22,080
but there was a woman who claimed that

685
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:23,279
she saw this big

686
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,279
orb uh come down um in some field or

687
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,000
something like that

688
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,200
and out of it came a bigfoot

689
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,720
so uh but i i just i think we're talking

690
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,400
about two very elusive

691
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:39,679
things that we have no physical evidence

692
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,320
of

693
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,919
bizarre things but tell me

694
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,720
what you have uh uncovered and

695
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,000
discovered when it comes to the

696
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,799
connection between the two

697
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,360
well it's a very long story it's

698
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,200
becoming more and more prevalent

699
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,880
not only in pennsylvania but throughout

700
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,200
the country i started writing about this

701
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,279
back in the 1970s

702
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,640
and i was in touch with people

703
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,919
throughout the country and around the

704
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,240
world back then and ever since

705
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,880
and many many people both the ufo

706
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,640
community and bigfoot community

707
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,120
have kept us very low key because of

708
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,799
what you're just discussing

709
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,640
uh the ufo people didn't want to

710
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,279
associate ufos of bigfoot and vice versa

711
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:22,400
and that was to me i mean i as an

712
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,440
investigator

713
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,080
i don't have any i don't know what the

714
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,679
answers are to the phenomena

715
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,279
i was not looking for these type of

716
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,919
things so let's go back to 1973 when

717
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:33,279
this all started

718
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,279
massive ufo wave started january 1st

719
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,640
73 continued to the last day of the year

720
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,799
and you got to remember in 1973 there's

721
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,720
no internet there's no cell phones

722
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,880
but the local news media the newspapers

723
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:50,320
around here and across the state and

724
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,799
then some

725
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,960
nationally began to pick up a lot of

726
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,640
these reports from pennsylvania in our

727
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,919
investigations

728
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,840
and then in the fall of 73 you had a

729
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,080
massive ufo outbreak it really uh

730
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,840
hit the newspapers across the country

731
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,159
but it was busy all year in pennsylvania

732
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,080
we had hundreds and hundreds of ufo

733
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,279
viewports coming in

734
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,440
so we're not talking about the cases

735
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,039
that we could identify

736
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:13,039
there were many misidentifications as a

737
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,080
star today

738
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,919
we had satellites re-entry a space

739
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,880
debris meteors lights on aircraft

740
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,520
uh balloons all kind of things you could

741
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,399
identify

742
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,399
but there were many many cases we could

743
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,720
not and many of those sightings

744
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,399
as they continue today but you don't

745
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,240
hear much about the news

746
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,559
but many of the sightings of 73 were

747
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,799
large structured objects seemed very low

748
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,000
to the ground

749
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,320
we had them hovering over highways

750
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,080
pacing cars we had incidents on the

751
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,600
pennsylvania turnpike

752
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,840
there were landing reports i mean it was

753
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,919
just an amazing time to go through

754
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,600
and my teams are out there day and night

755
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,600
investigating these cases

756
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,080
and many many multitudes of credible

757
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,320
witnesses from all type of backgrounds

758
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,279
so we were busy just investigating all

759
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,039
these ufo reports

760
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,240
and then in the summer of 73

761
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,080
we had the largest outbreak of bigfoot

762
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,159
sightings ever documented

763
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,960
and that went on to early 74. in fact

764
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000
there have been bigfoot sightings

765
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,679
documented pennsylvania every year since

766
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,640
then

767
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,520
and many of those bigfoot report it's

768
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,520
not like you see on television

769
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,080
many of those cases we had were very

770
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,240
close range observations

771
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,240
some of them were in daylight sometimes

772
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,760
we had more than one creature scene

773
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,559
together

774
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,559
and in many cases my teams get out to

775
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,760
these incidents

776
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,440
and would be physical evidence at the

777
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,760
scene we made many castle footprints for

778
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:34,880
example

779
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,000
and i was not looking

780
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,919
for these type of reports i mean when i

781
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,679
knew about bigfoot back in the days i

782
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,679
started investigating back in the 60s

783
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,360
from when i knew about bigfoot and there

784
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,880
have been history in pennsylvania and

785
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,480
around the country and around the world

786
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,240
there were likely some type of unknown

787
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,159
primate that's what i thought

788
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,880
well i had no idea what was about to

789
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,760
unfold

790
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,520
so once again you can remember a lot of

791
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:59,279
these reports come in from widespread

792
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,919
areas

793
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,080
to people who had no facebook in those

794
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,760
days or internet they had no way to know

795
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,120
other people reporting

796
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,559
many of them recalls were initially

797
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,399
coming into the police departments

798
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,919
these people had no reason to make up

799
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,039
their story and some very odd things

800
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,799
began to come to our attention

801
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,120
one of the first things we noticed was

802
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,640
when our teams would get out

803
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,399
to some of these locations where bigfoot

804
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,159
had been seen there'll be trails of

805
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,440
footprints under different ground

806
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,120
conditions including fresh

807
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,520
fresh snow and they were falling for a

808
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,279
disc and they would suddenly stop and

809
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,640
vanish and disappear

810
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,840
and there was no way under the

811
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,960
conditions they were found that could

812
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,399
have been fabricated

813
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,880
and then it got stranger and stranger we

814
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,559
interviewed witnesses who in daylight

815
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,399
were seeing these large tall

816
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,640
hair covered creatures they see them

817
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,799
standing in a particular location

818
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,799
and instantaneously these creatures

819
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,000
physically vanished

820
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,880
and reappeared a short distance away and

821
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,720
then it got stranger and stranger we

822
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,159
began to see a pattern

823
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,000
we'd have a ufo sighting in a certain

824
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:58,159
area where the minister hours and days

825
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,799
later

826
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,399
you have a bigfoot sighting or vice

827
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,520
versa and then things began to show up

828
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,960
case began to show up where we had a

829
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,240
bigfoot and ufo

830
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,559
scene together at the same time in place

831
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,159
one of those cases occurred north of

832
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,720
pittsburgh in september of 73

833
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,799
when two people were outside out in the

834
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:16,240
country waiting for a friend to pick

835
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,880
them up

836
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,200
they see this seven eight foot tall

837
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,279
hairy hairy uh bigfoot creature with

838
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,720
white hair which you don't hear about

839
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,000
that often but they're still being

840
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,200
reported

841
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,880
and they're strange enough to see this

842
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:28,640
large hairy creature running across the

843
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,120
road

844
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,679
but in one of his hand it's carrying a

845
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,760
glowing ball of light

846
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,760
and a short time later this object comes

847
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,880
across the sky

848
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,640
and projects a beam of light down into

849
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,960
the woods where the creature ran into

850
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,360
well it got much more interesting when

851
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,120
more cases coming in

852
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,240
and probably the most significant one of

853
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,000
the most significant cases occurred up

854
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:51,360
in fayette county which i'm sure you're

855
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,240
going to

856
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,559
talk about fayette county area here in

857
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,919
southwest pa

858
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,600
continues to be one of the most active

859
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,279
areas probably in the country

860
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,600
year after year for ufos and bigfoot

861
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,799
encrypted encounters

862
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:05,760
especially along the chestnut ridge but

863
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,480
this case

864
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,039
it's a very detailed case and i can give

865
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,240
you just a a short synopsis of it

866
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,519
october 25th 1973. there are numerous

867
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,360
ufo reports coming out of my hotline

868
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,120
from around the state

869
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,600
it was about 10 30 that night i got a

870
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:23,519
call from a state trooper from uniontown

871
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,320
barracks

872
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,919
he had just come back from investigating

873
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,360
this incident

874
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,360
and he said he believed was possible

875
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,279
there was something stopping the pasture

876
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,799
he wanted me to get one of my teams up

877
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,720
there as soon as possible which we did

878
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,159
it was late that night we got our

879
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,840
radiation equipment our

880
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,600
cameras and our equipment together and

881
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,519
headed up and found our way up to

882
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:44,320
rural fayette county and what we found

883
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,960
out was

884
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:47,760
that about 15 people that evening nine

885
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,320
o'clock

886
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,640
or so that evening they observed this

887
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,000
barn sized

888
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,919
red sphere about a hundred feet off the

889
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:56,880
ground slowly moving downward

890
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,080
and um the farmer's son was on his dad's

891
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,519
property he was riding down

892
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,039
the farm road to come out and visit his

893
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,960
family and he sees this thing in the sky

894
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,360
and

895
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:08,480
this thing it looks like it's coming

896
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,360
down

897
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,039
he goes to a higher location get a

898
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,559
better look at this thing and

899
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,080
it looks like it's actually landing on

900
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,760
his dad's pasture

901
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,600
so there were two young boys and he

902
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,120
decided they were going to go up and see

903
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,399
what this thing was

904
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,360
he stopped over his dad's farm grabbed a

905
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,080
30.6 a handful of ammunition

906
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,679
he didn't know at the time but in that

907
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,480
handful of ammo there were two tracers

908
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,640
so for the fellows out there that hunt

909
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,919
when they fired them you know they just

910
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,679
got luminous trail

911
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,440
anyhow as they're riding down the farm

912
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,480
road the dogs around the air going crazy

913
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,120
he had this high-pitched whining noise

914
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,039
and these loud baby crying sounds and

915
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,559
they're getting louder and louder

916
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:49,279
to get closer towards the pasture as

917
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:49,760
they

918
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,799
get a little pathway to climb up

919
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,399
and they notice looks like something is

920
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,240
draining the power from their headlights

921
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,000
they had never noticed before

922
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,600
they find their way up to the top of the

923
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,039
pasture

924
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,320
about 250 feet away this object is now

925
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,080
on the ground or right above it

926
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,559
but now it looks like it's about 100

927
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,919
feet in diameter

928
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,760
it's like a big white dome it's like a

929
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,840
half a sphere it's making this loud

930
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,799
whining sound

931
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,440
and it's illuminating the whole area and

932
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,640
they just stand there

933
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,000
they cannot believe what they're seeing

934
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:24,159
they're watching this thing and then

935
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,640
their

936
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,080
attention is drawn it's about 75 feet

937
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,159
away to a barbed wire fence

938
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,960
along that fence are these two tall hair

939
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,399
covered creatures the waterfront is

940
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,679
about eight feet tall

941
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,159
the other was about seven feet tall long

942
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,159
dark hair hanging off the body

943
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,000
no neck the arms are so long they're

944
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:43,679
hanging down past the knees almost to

945
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,399
the ground

946
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,399
they have luminous glowing green eyes

947
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,480
and making these baby crying sounds

948
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,159
well the one young boy is so frightened

949
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,519
he ran out of the field

950
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,200
the other one starts yelling at him to

951
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,960
start shooting at him shoot at them

952
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,720
and he fires his first shot which is a

953
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,960
tracer nothing happened

954
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,360
he fires the second tracer and when he

955
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,080
does the largest of the two creatures

956
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,720
reaches out his right hand and so to

957
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,000
grab that tracer

958
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,040
makes a loud crying whining sound and

959
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,720
the exact moment it does that

960
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:15,280
that large object in the field vanishes

961
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,399
and disappears

962
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,800
it doesn't take off it just physically

963
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:19,679
is gone

964
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,839
stops the creatures turn around start

965
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,520
walking along the fence line back

966
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,560
towards the woods

967
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
the fellow gas point is using live ammo

968
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:30,879
with this 30 odd six firing right into

969
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,200
them

970
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,000
with no effect on it whatsoever and they

971
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,440
run back to the truck

972
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,359
they go to the home they tell a family

973
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,560
what happened they take them to a

974
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,240
neighborhood called the state police

975
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,079
the short part of the story is the

976
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,320
trooper arrives about 45 minutes later

977
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,919
he goes up into the field and what he

978
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,760
told me was that the whole

979
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,760
area where the object was on the ground

980
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,839
was self-luminescent glowing

981
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,079
about 100 feet or more in diameter he

982
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:55,919
said the farm animals wouldn't go near

983
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,240
it

984
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,119
he said if he had a flashlight rather he

985
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,960
said if he had a newspaper

986
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,000
he believed he could have read the

987
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,520
newspaper and the light coming off the

988
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,560
glow

989
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,480
and anyhow again a shorter part of the

990
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,560
story as they went back to the barracks

991
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,480
both the trooper and the witness were

992
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,680
separately interviewed

993
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,839
then they called me to send up my team

994
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,200
and then things got much more

995
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,640
interesting during the night

996
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,560
we don't have time to even get into that

997
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:20,160
was the case that was very well

998
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:21,760
documented investigated

999
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,400
that was the case that made us realize

1000
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,599
my team and i but we're dealing with

1001
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,200
something that's much stranger

1002
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,720
and the case has gotten much more

1003
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,960
unusual and if you want me here the one

1004
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:33,200
case is very very strange and shows you

1005
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,240
the ufo

1006
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,240
and bigfoot connection and something

1007
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,680
much stranger i'll be glad to tell you

1008
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,960
about that one

1009
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,480
yeah let's hear that this is really

1010
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:42,560
fascinating yeah i'd like to hear that

1011
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,200
but

1012
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:46,079
before we move on though can you explain

1013
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,880
the team

1014
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,920
that you mentioned um are these like all

1015
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,839
volunteers that you have found over the

1016
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,480
years that

1017
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,800
that help research take this serious

1018
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,599
enough to

1019
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,920
volunteer their time or is that what it

1020
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,440
is

1021
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,040
oh yeah well again that was many years

1022
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,880
ago i've been researching as an

1023
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,240
independent researcher

1024
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,040
since november of 93 but during the 70s

1025
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,359
and 80s and much of the 90s

1026
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,760
we had we had various research groups

1027
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,520
going and we were very active

1028
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,119
i mean we had training meetings almost

1029
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,720
every month we were out in the field

1030
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,200
constantly investigating reports and a

1031
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,640
lot of these guys i mean these are

1032
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,680
professional scientific people and i

1033
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,960
learned a lot from these fellows how

1034
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,200
they operated and men and women both

1035
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,880
i mean we had physicists chemists

1036
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,880
geologists um

1037
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,040
you know uh pilots uh all kind of

1038
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,200
specialists involved doing this research

1039
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,119
and the group became very well known at

1040
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,640
the time and that's why we're getting so

1041
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,760
many reports in

1042
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,599
so but we all had our regular full-time

1043
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,960
jobs

1044
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,040
yeah yeah how about that that is that is

1045
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,000
great that you put

1046
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:49,040
that much effort into it um magnus wants

1047
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,760
to know

1048
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,839
have you ever had an experience and i'm

1049
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,119
guessing like

1050
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,839
either a bigfoot or a ufo experience i i

1051
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,119
don't know if we've ever talked about

1052
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,119
that stan have you had an experience of

1053
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,800
your own

1054
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,560
and this will surprise a lot of people

1055
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:04,640
this will be 62 years of research this

1056
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,200
year

1057
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,280
i have never seen a yoko or bigfoot

1058
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,040
myself surprisingly

1059
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,880
i have seen a lot of interesting

1060
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,480
physical evidence out

1061
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,079
investigating out in the field over the

1062
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,320
years i've been out since 1965

1063
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,560
out in the field doing investigations

1064
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,640
i've seen some really interesting things

1065
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,839
over the years and

1066
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,960
interviewed multitudes of witnesses and

1067
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,440
investigated multitudes of amazing cases

1068
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,119
some of which we can talk about

1069
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,800
but i have never had my own personal

1070
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,040
encounter you know that that's wonderful

1071
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,560
i think that is

1072
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,599
perfectly fine if you ask me and i know

1073
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,880
i've brought this up on the

1074
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,520
podcast before but you know there is

1075
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,000
another

1076
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,480
podcaster out there who was on my show

1077
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,680
years ago

1078
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:48,320
in 2013 and he said you know he got

1079
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,200
interested in

1080
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,800
ufos because of a book they read by stan

1081
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,520
freeman

1082
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:56,240
and now he invented his childhood

1083
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,960
sighting

1084
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:59,119
talks about it all the time on tv shows

1085
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,240
and everything else

1086
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,520
so it's uh i think that people feel like

1087
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,520
they have to embellish themselves to

1088
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,440
their past to make them

1089
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:10,480
more no taken seriously in this or

1090
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,200
whatever and

1091
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,440
i really uh respect the fact that you

1092
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,680
say that you never had one but

1093
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,520
there's really something to it and you

1094
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,119
have a fascination with it

1095
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,000
and that's enough so uh thank you for

1096
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,160
that

1097
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,440
um anyway uh i because i

1098
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,920
you know i had my one experience i had

1099
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,599
something else that happened

1100
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,720
but um i still i guess that's what made

1101
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,000
me have a fascination

1102
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,560
as i had you know something happen it

1103
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,480
wasn't tremendous either it was

1104
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,320
you know after some of these sightings

1105
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,680
that i've heard over the years it was

1106
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,160
it's kind of boring

1107
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,400
but uh anyway i'm glad you do the work

1108
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,920
you do and uh

1109
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,520
that really is amazing you said your

1110
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,680
phone line has been active since did you

1111
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,079
say 1969

1112
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,720
as correct in it it continues to be busy

1113
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,359
and been very busy in the last few weeks

1114
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,760
because we've had this very uh

1115
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,680
interesting surge of activity throughout

1116
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,359
the western pa and other parts of the

1117
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,040
state so i've been very busy

1118
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,880
the last report came in actually very

1119
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,720
early this morning from up in cambia

1120
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:13,599
county

1121
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,040
uh up in around the johnstown area

1122
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,560
can you can you talk a little bit about

1123
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,680
that or is that something you can't

1124
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,680
discuss yet

1125
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:24,480
no it it's not a real close report but

1126
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,280
the word

1127
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,520
witnesses saw it is very familiar with

1128
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:29,200
aircraft he happened to walk in his dog

1129
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,320
early in the morning

1130
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,160
and he said this thing whatever it was

1131
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,240
he said he said i know aircraft this was

1132
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,920
no normal aircraft he said

1133
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,839
if you took a dice and you looked at the

1134
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,520
five uh

1135
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,800
dots on a dice and he said

1136
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,800
there was five dots they were all white

1137
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,800
lights non-blinking non-flashing

1138
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,200
there was a red one behind it it was

1139
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:50,880
less than a thousand feet off the ground

1140
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,359
he sat

1141
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,599
completely silent moving quickly across

1142
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,040
the sky

1143
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,040
but he said um it was very very

1144
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,640
fascinating whatever it might be and

1145
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,920
we've been getting other reports up in

1146
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,920
that area after the last few years

1147
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,680
but some of the other reports i mean

1148
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,960
what's been going on and

1149
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,800
witnesses or rather your listeners they

1150
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,319
can go to my website which is stan

1151
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,400
gordon dot info and they can read

1152
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,640
a report i have on my website now about

1153
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
it but just to go over

1154
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,200
what's been going on and i mean the last

1155
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,280
few years been quite busy but this surge

1156
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,720
is kind of interesting where it was

1157
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,319
quite kind of quiet

1158
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,480
during the winter which was normal and

1159
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,480
it began to pick up but it seems like

1160
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,000
um it was the end of february this year

1161
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,480
that things began to be very and march

1162
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,240
has been very very active

1163
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,920
so in early march there were three white

1164
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,359
circular lights and a trailer

1165
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,000
configuration

1166
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,040
reported from cambria county there have

1167
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,480
been reports of triangular shaped

1168
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,079
objects from other locations

1169
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,240
a daylight observation of a large black

1170
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:48,160
rectangular object reported from bedford

1171
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,960
county

1172
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,520
reports of large glowing spherical some

1173
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,640
is seen at low level

1174
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,880
close to homes bright objects moving

1175
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,160
straight up to the night sky and

1176
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,280
disappearing

1177
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:59,359
sightings of small spheres of light that

1178
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,400
are close to the ground

1179
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,720
that are continuing to be reported and

1180
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,240
residents from different locations

1181
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:06,240
reporting unusual luminous objects are

1182
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,200
being recorded

1183
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,319
on their game security cameras and i've

1184
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,920
been in touch with other researchers as

1185
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,560
well

1186
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,839
one of them is dan hagman up at the

1187
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,680
butler organization for research he

1188
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,680
unexplained up in butler county

1189
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:22,079
he said he's been receiving multiple

1190
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,200
reports of

1191
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:25,280
spears all over butler county during

1192
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,319
march

1193
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,480
and um some of the reports you got are

1194
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,599
very very interesting

1195
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,960
one in particular was uh march 11th

1196
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,280
man was in his kitchen when he began to

1197
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,960
throw a strange vibration and heard a

1198
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,000
low rumble

1199
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,079
realize that the sliding glass door to

1200
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,599
his deck was vibrating

1201
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,520
he looked out the door notice a very

1202
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,079
bright very large pulsating round object

1203
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:47,680
just above the trees at the edge of the

1204
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,319
yard

1205
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,079
the light from the object illuminated

1206
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,920
his backyard as though it was in the

1207
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,119
middle of the day

1208
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,800
he stepped out on the deck and was

1209
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,240
awestruck for what he saw

1210
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,839
at that time he found a tingling

1211
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,240
sensation his hair stood up in hand

1212
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,319
and he had chill bumps on his body he

1213
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,079
called to his wife and hurried inside to

1214
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,680
get a camera when he came back it was

1215
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,400
gone

1216
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,160
i mean this is just an example of some

1217
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,000
of the things that have been going on

1218
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,200
wow and that is that is really amazing

1219
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,000
um now would you would you consider

1220
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,520
pennsylvania i know that it's

1221
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,960
not chestnut ridge what's it called

1222
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,359
what's the ridge called there

1223
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,520
oh yeah chestnut ridge is one of the

1224
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,440
most areas of the country i've been

1225
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,520
investigating scientific since the 60s

1226
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,200
when i started hearing about it

1227
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,800
year after year including this year

1228
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,720
already phenomena is going on

1229
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,319
it's one of the most active areas in the

1230
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,000
country for ufos

1231
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,560
bigfoot cryptos and other phenomena and

1232
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,319
well the chestnut ridge is not one

1233
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,800
small little area it runs through

1234
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,160
westmoreland fayette

1235
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,440
indiana county and southwest pa and it

1236
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,040
goes down to preston county west

1237
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,720
virginia outside of morgantown

1238
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,839
but the westmoreland and fayette county

1239
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,800
side are very active year after year

1240
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,119
a lot of very strange phenomena's going

1241
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,079
on

1242
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,319
and uh it's just amazing and many of

1243
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,240
those sightings during that 73 outbreak

1244
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,520
we start talking about

1245
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,920
there was a lot of focus on those areas

1246
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,119
where a lot of these cases were going on

1247
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,160
wow amazing um so what i'm going to do

1248
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,680
stan is i'm going to pop up some

1249
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,280
questions that come in

1250
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,599
from the chat room and as we go along

1251
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:20,640
because we're not going to be able to

1252
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,079
take calls or phone calls unfortunately

1253
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,680
because of the way we had to bring you

1254
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
in on the phone here

1255
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,040
and so what do you think of the uh

1256
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,200
patterson film what is your thoughts on

1257
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:32,560
that

1258
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,119
can't remember what you're in the 60s

1259
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,880
right

1260
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,880
that's correct and yeah of course i've

1261
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:42,000
not been involved directly in

1262
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,280
investigation i've

1263
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,359
i've read about it for years and years

1264
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,040
i've read different reports on it

1265
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:49,280
and and i've seen a lot of videos and a

1266
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,079
lot of

1267
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,760
alleged pictures taken a big foot and a

1268
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,680
lot of them um

1269
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,640
not real clear but of all the of all the

1270
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,040
films and all the data i've seen

1271
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,880
that's the one that still appears to be

1272
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,880
something that can be considered genuine

1273
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,560
from what i know about it i think that's

1274
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,640
probably very legitimate

1275
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,920
there have been pictures taken around

1276
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:10,079
here on game cams that most people have

1277
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,960
never seen they

1278
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,480
they're private people haven't released

1279
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,720
them who had them i think they're

1280
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,720
they're probably legit but they don't

1281
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,280
show enough the cameras um

1282
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,960
they only show a certain angle or

1283
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,640
section of what might be a body with

1284
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,000
hair hanging off

1285
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,520
but i think there have been some other

1286
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,280
legitimate pictures taken they just are

1287
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,200
not very clear

1288
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,680
right yeah i know that there's been so

1289
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,720
much analysis

1290
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,160
over the years and you can find a lot of

1291
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,880
things online when it comes to that

1292
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,960
um and i'm going to pull up this is for

1293
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,160
the person that is

1294
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,400
not familiar that's watching on youtube

1295
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,520
i'm going to try to

1296
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,880
make this happen i'm going to pull this

1297
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,079
up for a screen share here

1298
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,079
but um it's they've tried to uh

1299
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,960
uh you know uh try to debunk it it's

1300
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,560
been a really tough one

1301
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,839
to debunk um let me just bring the whole

1302
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,440
thing up here

1303
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,720
a second here um

1304
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,800
and when when they when i say they try

1305
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:08,480
to debunk it they try to

1306
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,160
uh you know they're checking the uh

1307
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,000
something is strange about this i think

1308
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:15,920
this is one that was worked on

1309
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,160
basically um but anyway they've tried to

1310
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,560
uh debunk it and they just can't they

1311
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,000
haven't been able to

1312
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,000
which is pretty interesting because it

1313
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:28,079
doesn't meet the anatomy

1314
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,760
of uh how you would expect a human

1315
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:34,400
in a costume could or anything like that

1316
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,960
it just

1317
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,240
doesn't work right and let me

1318
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,839
i want to explain one thing what i've

1319
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,880
been talking about we haven't really

1320
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,319
gotten a great detail yet

1321
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,920
we could talk for hours and hours about

1322
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,599
these cases but

1323
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,640
i'm not suggesting that bigfoot

1324
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,839
is a passenger or a pilot of a

1325
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,520
spacecraft from another planet

1326
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,599
that's not the point we don't know what

1327
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,280
we're dealing with even with ufo

1328
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,960
phenomena there's many theories nobody

1329
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,240
knows for sure

1330
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:02,000
i've learned a lot about the uf the

1331
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,280
bigfoot phenomena

1332
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,200
and the evidence more and more as

1333
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,200
reluctant as i am to say it

1334
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,040
but for lack of a better term we might

1335
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,319
be dealing with something which is

1336
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,680
interdimensional and i'll give you a

1337
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,599
case for it here in a minute

1338
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,680
and we're dealing with a phenomena but

1339
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,040
with certain at least

1340
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,079
some types of ufos and bigfoot and some

1341
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,359
cryptids i'm finding

1342
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,359
that have a physical and a non-physical

1343
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,560
component to them

1344
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,319
they can come into our reality at

1345
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,000
certain times people see

1346
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,240
them sometimes it looks physically solid

1347
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,520
sometimes they're not completely

1348
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,040
physically solved they can leave

1349
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,880
evidence and then they're gone we're

1350
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,640
dealing with a phenomenon that's so

1351
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:38,079
beyond our present scientific

1352
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,960
understanding

1353
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,640
i don't think anybody understands

1354
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:42,079
including the government

1355
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,520
but if you like i'd like to tell you

1356
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,280
about this one case that was the case

1357
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,400
that convinced me

1358
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,839
that we're dealing with something that's

1359
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,160
very unusual yeah absolutely go right

1360
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,480
into it sure

1361
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,480
this is this goes back to that massive

1362
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,960
wave in 73-74 and this again

1363
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,480
is way in the mountains of fayette

1364
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,079
county pennsylvania february 6 1974.

1365
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,640
i remember the case very very well i was

1366
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,720
up at the site early the next morning

1367
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,720
and the reason i couldn't get up there

1368
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,560
that night is because

1369
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,960
and some year listeners will remember

1370
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,160
this period of time

1371
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,560
there was a big national trucker strike

1372
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,160
there was gas rationing around the

1373
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:19,839
country so i couldn't get gas to go up

1374
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,240
there

1375
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,240
across the country so in pennsylvania

1376
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,839
the national guard and the state police

1377
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,520
were patrolling together

1378
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,599
some of those fellows from both units

1379
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,680
responded to this incident

1380
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,960
so what happened february 674 uh this

1381
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,559
woman looked deep in the mountains and a

1382
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,480
little cabin home she lived there

1383
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,000
in the country all her life she knew

1384
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,559
animals very well was a very good shot

1385
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,920
she was sitting there as normal that

1386
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:45,760
evening watching television

1387
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,200
when she heard this noise on her on a

1388
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,119
little front porch she had some pop cans

1389
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,000
out there some was

1390
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,480
knocking the pop cans around well a few

1391
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,160
weeks before there was a

1392
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,319
a pack of dogs wild dogs that have come

1393
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,280
through the area

1394
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,119
so she figured i bet the dogs are back

1395
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,400
so she thought you know what

1396
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,800
i'll just grab my shotgun and i'll shoot

1397
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:06,079
over their heads together those dogs

1398
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,880
away

1399
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,359
so she goes over and loads she had a 16

1400
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,960
gauge double barrel shotgun

1401
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,839
she loaded one chamber she went over

1402
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,440
turned on the switch to turn on the

1403
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:17,440
outside porch light she steps out turns

1404
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,559
on the switch

1405
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,280
and as she steps out there's no dogs but

1406
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,119
about six feet away in front of her

1407
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,839
it's just huge at least seven foot tall

1408
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,480
hairy

1409
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,359
uh gray hair covered bigfoot and as soon

1410
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,880
as she turned the light on i put his arm

1411
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,720
straight up over his head

1412
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,119
what does she do she fires right into it

1413
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,720
with her shotgun

1414
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,800
she says there's this brilliant burst of

1415
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,200
light like a flash on a camera

1416
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,040
and that physically disappears right in

1417
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,400
front of her

1418
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,400
her in-laws lived 100 feet away they

1419
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,760
heard the gunshot they called and asked

1420
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:49,280
what she was shooting at she explained

1421
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,839
to him

1422
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,319
her son-in-law grabbed his pistol starts

1423
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:54,240
running down that dark road towards her

1424
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,040
cabin

1425
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,720
he said he was found by four or five

1426
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,880
hairy people with eyes like coals of

1427
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,760
fire

1428
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,000
started shooting at him randomly runs

1429
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,119
into the home

1430
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,040
and it was around that time there's this

1431
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,040
large object with numerous lights on

1432
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,319
like a big christmas ornament

1433
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,960
hovering over the woods at the same time

1434
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,359
that's when they called the state police

1435
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,960
and i and i talked to the primary

1436
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,520
investigator and he said by the time

1437
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,119
they found the place way up the mountain

1438
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,440
everything was gone however he said

1439
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,599
something very strange was going on up

1440
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:25,200
there he said the two of the witnesses

1441
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,920
he said

1442
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,240
they were very very shook up they appear

1443
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,440
to be

1444
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,200
telling the truth they were very very

1445
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,359
upset over the whole situation

1446
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:35,280
but he said what was so unusual were the

1447
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,880
animal reactions

1448
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,920
and this is very common some ufo cases

1449
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,240
and also with many many bigfoot reports

1450
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,520
in many cases

1451
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,359
even the most ferocious dogs when

1452
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,800
they're closing these creatures

1453
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,800
they're like paralyzed in fear they will

1454
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,319
not bark they don't move

1455
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,800
they shake they cower they hide that's

1456
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,400
very common but he told me he said when

1457
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,480
he got up there there wasn't a sound

1458
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,640
they had several big dogs up there none

1459
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,480
of them barked or made a sound

1460
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,280
the horses were uh on you acting unusual

1461
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,640
the cat's in the house

1462
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,400
there was a little baby in there very

1463
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,000
very shook up they said that baby never

1464
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,839
cried like that ever before

1465
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,440
and he said one of the dogs was in a

1466
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,200
cage i think it was an eskimo spitz and

1467
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,559
he said he went over

1468
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,079
and tried to pull that dog out of the

1469
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,079
cage i wasn't barking or moving

1470
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,680
he should have ripped his hands and arms

1471
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,680
off and just scratched my terrible and

1472
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,520
it didn't even move or bark

1473
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,119
wow now when i got up there early the

1474
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,960
next morning we were greeted by the dogs

1475
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:30,880
all barking loudly

1476
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,319
and uh we found the the bb pattern

1477
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,280
in the tree out in the woods straight in

1478
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:39,040
line from the porch where the woman shot

1479
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,680
at it

1480
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,920
that was the case among others that were

1481
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,960
similar

1482
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,880
they began to indicate we're dealing

1483
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:46,240
with something that's both physical and

1484
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,119
non-physical

1485
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,040
and these cases are continuing around

1486
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,480
the country and around the world

1487
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,400
and we've had numerous incidents in the

1488
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,000
last few years in pennsylvania which is

1489
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,520
just amazing

1490
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,160
and um again you're beginning to hear

1491
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,520
more about this now

1492
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,960
in the last couple years have been

1493
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,800
several very good new books from around

1494
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,520
the country

1495
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,040
where other researchers are talking

1496
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,280
about these same type of cases

1497
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,920
things i read about in the 70s now

1498
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,599
people are beginning to look at it much

1499
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,240
more

1500
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,319
you've heard about the skinwalker ranch

1501
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,760
well a lot of these things are very

1502
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,119
similar to skinwalker

1503
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,720
and what a lot of people don't realize

1504
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,640
is that

1505
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,160
there are places not only here in

1506
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,839
pennsylvania there's two i'm ongoing

1507
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,040
right now that i'm aware of

1508
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,359
involved with where has been a history

1509
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:29,359
of ongoing phenomena it's where the

1510
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,720
phenomena seems to focus on a particular

1511
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,839
uh location a particular residence a

1512
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,040
certain area

1513
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,599
and you have ufos you have bigfoot you

1514
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,359
have cryptids you have strange balls of

1515
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,280
light you have paranormal phenomena

1516
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:45,599
and various people are observing these

1517
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:46,559
and experiencing

1518
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,319
this phenomena and i can tell you this

1519
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:52,640
one case it's i got involved with uh

1520
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,839
a month or so ago and it's fascinating

1521
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:58,000
where this is going on a property up in

1522
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,200
northern pa

1523
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,119
and i know in recent weeks and i've seen

1524
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,160
some of they have some very very good uh

1525
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:07,200
night vision and other camera and other

1526
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,079
videos of

1527
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,680
some of these glowing balls of white and

1528
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,920
low in the woods

1529
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,040
wow all fascinating stuff we have uh

1530
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,680
bran brandon the owner of skinwalker and

1531
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,559
travis

1532
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,079
um taylor is coming up on may 5th

1533
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,720
he's in the skinwalker ranch on the the

1534
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,079
night of their debut

1535
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,920
of the season premiere coming up on may

1536
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,599
4th are going to be on the show

1537
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,760
to talk about that it's pretty

1538
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,119
fascinating it's a little plug to get

1539
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,880
the show started of course

1540
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,760
but uh i i did i did want to throw that

1541
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,720
out there and

1542
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,720
while while i'm talking about that we

1543
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,400
lou elizondo i mentioned

1544
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,800
i was coming up and uh people have been

1545
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,559
asking me when that is and that is

1546
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,040
going to be on may 11th he's going to be

1547
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,480
on for a full show then

1548
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,480
so get your questions ready for lu

1549
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,000
elizondo when he comes on

1550
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:57,040
so we are uh we are ready and just a

1551
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,559
second to go into break but i

1552
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,359
i kind of wanted to set this up um and i

1553
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,040
want to talk more about this

1554
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,280
um and just to follow up on the last

1555
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,000
story that you told in in your thoughts

1556
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,680
on this of course we're all it's all

1557
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,119
just theories and thoughts

1558
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:15,040
anyway um but uh i remember speaking

1559
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,680
with paul

1560
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:18,720
eno he runs a show a paranormal you know

1561
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:22,000
ufo show on the radio and uh i think

1562
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,040
it's in

1563
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,559
rhode island and he is uh his thoughts

1564
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,079
are exactly what you're talking

1565
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,640
about he thinks that it's definitely um

1566
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,720
he thinks that along with ufos or most

1567
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,920
ufos

1568
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,480
have this interdimensional type of

1569
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,160
situation snapping in and out of a

1570
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,920
reality including ghosts

1571
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,200
which i think is quite uh uh quite a

1572
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,200
thought you know when um

1573
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,440
when people talk about uh it certainly

1574
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,559
would explain

1575
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,440
a lot of things so anyway we are ready

1576
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,960
to go into the break

1577
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:55,520
and uh we'll be back with you stan uh

1578
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,240
we're gonna

1579
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,440
take you out and uh and uh

1580
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,599
we will be bringing you back in after

1581
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,599
this uh about a four minute break

1582
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,720
and how i'm setting this up is i

1583
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,880
i put in here i haven't even watched

1584
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,000
this this is uh this

1585
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:12,000
is kind of scary but i'm putting up raw

1586
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:13,119
footage of when i

1587
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,880
uh interviewed francis chiramuda he was

1588
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,200
one of the ariel school witnesses so i'm

1589
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,160
going to be playing that

1590
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,880
uh unedited i'm going to cross my

1591
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,079
fingers that it

1592
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,319
it uh things are not in there that

1593
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,440
should have been edited out

1594
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,680
it'll be just uh just under four minutes

1595
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,760
so uh for those over you

1596
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,599
here over in youtube you're gonna get to

1597
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:36,240
watch that and uh for those of you in kg

1598
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:36,559
r

1599
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,599
these messages

1600
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,160
you're a good looking guy you look great

1601
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:45,760
i love your hair man

1602
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:48,799
um it's it's it's kind of

1603
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:52,720
difficult now um um talking from a

1604
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,280
position

1605
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,760
because now that i've done a regression

1606
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:56,799
um

1607
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,079
sort of like the events that i now have

1608
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,359
because um this kind of brought to light

1609
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,839
a few details that i otherwise before

1610
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,359
did not have

1611
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:12,079
or details that might have disappeared

1612
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,359
within

1613
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,520
the time of the event and obviously us

1614
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,760
going through life and growing up

1615
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,799
um but

1616
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
you know details small details like the

1617
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,280
lights and how

1618
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,400
now i have a clear picture of um there

1619
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:29,680
being

1620
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,760
these spheres and these fears were about

1621
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:36,000
my size you know the size of an adult

1622
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,040
human

1623
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:40,640
right and these spheres were kind of

1624
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:41,440
rotating

1625
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:44,799
around the craft in an anti-clockwise

1626
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,640
motion and they were glowing bright

1627
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,240
bright white

1628
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,280
yeah wow um

1629
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,400
kind of kind of the way i look at it um

1630
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,920
the light that a lot of people were

1631
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,680
seeing um

1632
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,799
were being emitted by these spheres

1633
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:05,200
all right and as we kind of progress

1634
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,000
through the story

1635
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:09,680
um they kind of switched behavior

1636
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,119
in a way and as if

1637
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,400
they were being repelled by a magnet

1638
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,280
one at a time the spheres shot off in

1639
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:20,799
different directions

1640
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,240
right then leaving the craft itself

1641
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,040
which um because there was no light now

1642
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,799
shining on them

1643
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:30,400
on the craft you could tell it was a

1644
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,400
silver sort of color of the craft

1645
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,599
and um yeah this is

1646
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:40,400
the most vivid and direct memory that i

1647
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,040
actually

1648
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,760
do recall you know from the regression

1649
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,559
and

1650
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:47,680
from past memory as well

1651
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,960
now did you actually see

1652
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,680
what other people had seen as far as

1653
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:55,680
like the being

1654
00:57:02,549 --> 00:56:58,960
the physical i

1655
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:02,559
did um by account

1656
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,309
two of them kind of remained

1657
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:14,960
within the line of sight from the

1658
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:17,760
playground to the craft

1659
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:20,960
and um another one which is

1660
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:28,950
um one of the beings actually darting

1661
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,160
from the craft um towards the direction

1662
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,079
of the swimming pool

1663
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:36,240
um the swimming pool which was probably

1664
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,119
about two

1665
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,160
three four hundred meters

1666
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,440
to the left of the playground

1667
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,559
and the most peculiar thing was

1668
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,480
the way in which it moved because it

1669
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:51,040
almost felt as if

1670
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,720
it would disappear and appear

1671
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,760
a few meters ahead of itself you know

1672
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,760
almost in a blinking fashion and not

1673
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,319
um in the normal linear fashion that

1674
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,640
you'd expect someone to be moving

1675
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,799
you know and did you see it like did it

1676
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,480
look like it was floating

1677
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,640
i've heard other people say like it they

1678
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,559
never saw it actually touch the ground

1679
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:15,839
that's feet no in in this case like i

1680
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,400
was saying

1681
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,440
um it would just be the appearing and

1682
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,280
disappearing so

1683
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:24,240
um i would just want to guess and say

1684
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,280
yes it probably

1685
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,880
looked like it was floating but at no

1686
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,319
point did it

1687
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,880
ever look like it was physically running

1688
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:32,880
if i could say that

1689
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,630
all right uh welcome back

1690
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,720
welcome back everyone this is martin

1691
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,880
willis and i'm just trying to change the

1692
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,000
banner here

1693
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:54,720
uh here we go all right here we go in

1694
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,440
three

1695
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,640
two one go all right welcome back

1696
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,359
everyone

1697
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:02,160
uh so that uh clip for those of you on

1698
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,799
youtube

1699
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,799
that was francis chiramuda about the

1700
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,480
ariel school incident

1701
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,760
um it went on now this was a part of an

1702
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,960
interview that

1703
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:13,200
i did several months ago he is in

1704
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,000
madagascar

1705
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,400
and uh a great guy i was glad to be able

1706
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,760
to interview him

1707
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,400
all right uh stan we're back so uh right

1708
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,000
before we went into a break we were

1709
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,400
talking about the possibility of

1710
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,520
interdimensional beings as uh

1711
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,839
as a possibility i know these are all

1712
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,359
theories but uh

1713
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,520
is there other cases that makes you also

1714
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,480
uh you know confirms this more

1715
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,160
oh there there are so many different

1716
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,079
cases i mean it's just incredible

1717
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,599
and what we have to look at with a lot

1718
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,359
of these ufo reports

1719
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,200
i mean we have many many reports of

1720
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:46,799
these objects that suddenly

1721
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,160
physically disappear uh they take on

1722
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,760
various types of shapes

1723
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,680
some appear to be solid metallic

1724
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,359
sometimes we're getting reports of

1725
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,240
like a mist or fog around them at times

1726
01:00:00,710 --> 01:00:00,240
but sometimes they physically change

1727
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,720
form

1728
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,839
and then they're suddenly gone and um i

1729
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:06,079
mean we've had numerous cases even seas

1730
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,440
in the last few years

1731
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,880
i mean there have been numerous cases

1732
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:11,599
especially large cigar-shaped objects i

1733
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,240
guess some people

1734
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,880
won't call them tac shaped objects let

1735
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,559
me just read you a few short reports

1736
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,160
from 2019

1737
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,880
this is um from outside of pittsburgh in

1738
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,640
august uh beautiful morning

1739
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,240
man sitting on a sports circle in the

1740
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,880
sky about 3 000 feet up this is what

1741
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,799
appears to be silver solid

1742
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,640
oval or football shaped fat in the

1743
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,920
middle with short ends

1744
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,559
about 80 feet long about 60 feet wide

1745
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,400
the objects hovering begins to move

1746
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,680
southeast

1747
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,200
and until it's right over top of his

1748
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,040
head the object is completely silent

1749
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,040
there was no wind at all that day it

1750
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,280
began to suddenly and slowly banish your

1751
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,720
fade from the back end

1752
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,319
extended to the front section when it

1753
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,559
was gone from sight observation about

1754
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,559
five minutes about ten minutes later

1755
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:54,880
uh a similar object was seen and it was

1756
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:55,760
gone

1757
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:59,119
soon after um hold on i got a whole

1758
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,319
bunch of pages here

1759
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,839
pages of reports from fayette county in

1760
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:05,599
the in september

1761
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,559
4 20 in the morning cigar shaped object

1762
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:10,720
estimated four to six thousand feet high

1763
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,000
no sound slowly moved by gliding eight

1764
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,920
to ten lights in a row

1765
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,240
uh round red and color blinked on and

1766
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,000
off also two large

1767
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,839
uh white lights about a hundred feet in

1768
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,240
length something like a fluorescent tube

1769
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,760
came out of the object when it went

1770
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,400
below it

1771
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,079
then it went back up into it then it

1772
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,079
dropped back down and was gone

1773
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,760
now that's really interesting because

1774
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:33,760
i'm going to go over a report that

1775
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:36,880
happened along the chestnut ridge

1776
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,119
in july of 2019 so this is in the hotbed

1777
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,880
area along the ridge this is outside of

1778
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,720
lake trout pennsylvania

1779
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:47,280
and that evening two people were

1780
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,920
traveling

1781
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:50,079
uh along the youngstown side of the

1782
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,200
ridge

1783
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:53,359
when i was a very clear night and the

1784
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,400
pasture in the car

1785
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,839
yelled out to the driver one of those

1786
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:58,400
lights in the sky and he pulled over and

1787
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,280
looked up

1788
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,520
the passenger was confused because what

1789
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,119
she first saw

1790
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,400
looked like a glass tube cylinder among

1791
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,000
bright light that seemed to be covered

1792
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,839
with a smoke or a haze

1793
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,520
the cylinder appeared to be attached to

1794
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,520
a very large v-shaped object with

1795
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,319
several rows of different colored lights

1796
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,880
the driver i stopped the car and it was

1797
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,480
amazing look at this thing

1798
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,319
that's happening about 60 feet above the

1799
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,640
trees the v-shape was made

1800
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,799
of numerous small rectangular shaped

1801
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,920
white lights

1802
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,839
those lights were glowing blue bright in

1803
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,119
the dimmer times

1804
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,039
he estimated about 50 or more of those

1805
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,480
lights and

1806
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,720
of the object itself about 40 50 feet in

1807
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,160
length it was

1808
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,240
about the smaller lights were four

1809
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:42,960
larger round lights that were strobing

1810
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,599
orange blue red and green in color the

1811
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,440
brightness of those colors appeared pale

1812
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:49,200
compared to the smaller rectangular

1813
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:49,839
lights

1814
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:53,119
stroke from left to right

1815
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,720
and there was a larger light that

1816
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,720
produced a beam that was scanning the

1817
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,039
sky above the object as it hovered

1818
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,960
the driver put down the windows as it

1819
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,240
continued to watch

1820
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,079
they were amazed that this large object

1821
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,400
was completely silent

1822
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,359
and he said all of a sudden now the

1823
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,039
radio was off in the car and he said all

1824
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,880
of a sudden the electronic system of the

1825
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,039
car was having a seizure he said

1826
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,200
the radio was off but they suddenly

1827
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,119
began hear this odd clicking sound

1828
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,960
inside your car

1829
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,640
but they were unable to locate where the

1830
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,160
sound was coming from

1831
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,079
at that time they noticed that the dash

1832
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,920
lights were dimming on and off

1833
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:30,160
with the beat of the clicking sound he

1834
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,440
also was having trouble with the

1835
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,119
software and the signal was dropping

1836
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,319
out uh they watched this thing they were

1837
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,240
got very very shook up they were very

1838
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,520
upset over what they were seeing and

1839
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,880
they decided to leave they

1840
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,480
they said they were in awe they couldn't

1841
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,079
believe what they were seeing

1842
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,079
uh as they began to ride down the road

1843
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,400
about 30 miles an hour suddenly

1844
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,480
animals began running out of the woods

1845
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,079
as though they were fighting

1846
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,920
he said first the deer ran out right in

1847
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:55,680
front of the car this guy's an

1848
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,240
experienced

1849
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,680
outdoorsman and hunter he said he's

1850
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,520
never seen a deer look so dazed and

1851
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,480
confused

1852
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,039
moments later another deer ran out short

1853
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,559
distance down the road a bird hit the

1854
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,760
car windshield

1855
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,839
and as it continued uh down the road

1856
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,760
more animals came out of the woods

1857
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,880
and interestingly about a year later i

1858
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,960
get a call from another fellow

1859
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,440
who he remembered that particular date

1860
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:18,960
because something was going on in his

1861
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,599
life

1862
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,520
he said he was a few miles away on the

1863
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:22,960
opposite side of the ridge the same

1864
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,520
night

1865
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,359
and he believed the same object covered

1866
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,960
over his vehicle and shot a beam light

1867
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,720
down onto his vehicle

1868
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,119
that's just an example of the many many

1869
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,960
kind of reports we've been receiving

1870
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,559
and these are the kinds of reports that

1871
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,559
are continuing to go on but you don't

1872
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,839
hear about the news

1873
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,480
because the witnesses want no publicity

1874
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:42,400
did that actually stall his vehicle

1875
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,240
as well no it did not

1876
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,000
but uh the radio was off it did not

1877
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:50,000
stall his vehicle but i have had cases

1878
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:50,960
where that has

1879
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,240
occurred and also interestingly there is

1880
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,319
many aspects of the bigfoot phenomena

1881
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,079
that are very unusual

1882
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,839
that i've looked into and many people

1883
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,839
never heard about or won't talk about it

1884
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:04,480
but besides having electromagnetic

1885
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,200
effects

1886
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,200
where ufos hover near cars and the

1887
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,960
headlights go out or power goes out and

1888
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:10,400
they move off and the power comes back

1889
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,599
on

1890
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,119
the same thing has happened in some

1891
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,680
bigfoot cases where bigfoot has ran out

1892
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,799
near a car

1893
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,200
and there's a power loss in the vehicle

1894
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,200
when the creatures run off and move away

1895
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,160
the power comes back on or the power uh

1896
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,280
regains in the vehicle itself

1897
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,200
wow that is so puzzling that's that's

1898
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,200
almost like makes you wonder

1899
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,520
if there's you know i'm gonna go way out

1900
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,960
there and just say

1901
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,359
if there's some type of way to travel

1902
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:38,960
through another

1903
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:41,599
dimension if you use a certain type of

1904
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,640
power

1905
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,880
that would affect things in that other

1906
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,000
dimension

1907
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:48,799
you know like uh sort of like a with

1908
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:49,359
there's

1909
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,720
uh anti-matter kind of like anti-power

1910
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,480
or something

1911
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,559
you know i mean it's bizarre yes it's

1912
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,680
all bizarre but

1913
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:00,480
um it's only you can only look at these

1914
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,520
things with uh speculation

1915
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:06,240
that's it no nobody has any answers

1916
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,280
again i think we're dealing with

1917
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,720
something that's so beyond our present

1918
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,920
understanding right now

1919
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:12,000
which is why so many people laugh

1920
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,359
because if you haven't had your own

1921
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,960
personal experience i deal with people

1922
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:15,839
all the time

1923
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:18,400
i mean very educated people from people

1924
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,680
all kind of backgrounds

1925
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:21,200
most of these people didn't believe any

1926
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,640
of these things could exist whether it's

1927
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,559
a ufo or a bigfoot until they had their

1928
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,839
own experience

1929
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,680
and for so many people it was a

1930
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,359
life-changing event

1931
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,720
and some of these people have been in

1932
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,960
touch with from 20 30 40 years ago

1933
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,319
and even today some of these people

1934
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,000
still can't deal with it but

1935
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,680
we're dealing with something that's very

1936
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,039
unusual it has a physical and

1937
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,799
non-physical component to it

1938
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,000
but the one pattern i found years ago is

1939
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:46,480
many low-level close-range ufo

1940
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,520
encounters

1941
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,880
other cryptids

1942
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:53,280
calmly occur in the vicinity of high

1943
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,799
energy sources

1944
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:57,440
so many incidents occur around power

1945
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,480
stations

1946
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,280
high tension power lines radio

1947
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,559
communication towers

1948
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:05,119
gas wells gas lines railroad tracks

1949
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,559
reservoirs

1950
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,559
uh it goes on and on and on there's

1951
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,720
definitely a an energy connection to the

1952
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:12,960
phenomena whatever it might be

1953
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,480
um and uh you know i mean you

1954
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,480
you mentioned uh you know uh skinwalker

1955
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,000
ranch earlier and

1956
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,280
there were the scientists on site

1957
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,920
that claimed they saw this creature like

1958
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,200
a bigfoot

1959
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:29,280
come out through what appeared to be a

1960
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,319
portal

1961
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:32,720
that all of a sudden appeared and and

1962
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,760
closed up

1963
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,599
which is wow i mean this is all

1964
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:37,039
mind-bending stuff

1965
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,480
and fascinating um and uh

1966
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,480
they weren't they didn't film it i i

1967
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,400
don't remember what the reasoning

1968
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,520
was behind not filming that particular

1969
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,799
situation but yeah it's really

1970
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,599
fascinating

1971
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,920
what do you have other stories as well

1972
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,280
that uh

1973
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,599
you know kind of dovetail similar to

1974
01:08:03,109 --> 01:07:59,359
this

1975
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,119
um yeah we could talk for hours okay

1976
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,799
there are many many pieces this is

1977
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,880
exactly what's been going on around here

1978
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:09,119
and again in other parts of the country

1979
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,079
and um

1980
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,839
what and i'll give you an interesting

1981
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,680
case but here's something that a lot of

1982
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,200
people have never talked about

1983
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,759
or know very little about it plays a

1984
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,520
part in all this phenomena

1985
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:21,440
you know we we're always talking about

1986
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,560
these large

1987
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,640
cigar-shaped objects and triangular

1988
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,480
objects and the more recent years large

1989
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:28,799
rectangular objects are being seen

1990
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,480
but i've been doing what i call mini ufo

1991
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,080
since the 1960s

1992
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,279
these continue to occur and they are so

1993
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:39,120
much more interesting and maybe more

1994
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,319
important because

1995
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,080
these are not objects that are seen high

1996
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:44,400
in the sky these things are low to the

1997
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,279
ground

1998
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,000
they come very very close to people

1999
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,279
there have been incidents where they've

2000
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:51,199
entered people's homes and cars or open

2001
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,000
windows

2002
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,839
and gone out sometimes right through the

2003
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,759
vehicle wall or right through the wall

2004
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,759
of the house

2005
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,239
i had one case years ago northern p i

2006
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,759
remember many years ago a woman told me

2007
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,799
she was

2008
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,960
cooking in her kitchen one day the wind

2009
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,000
was opening when these

2010
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,960
small little spheres came in floated

2011
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,400
around the kitchen

2012
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,239
and her reaction was she grabbed the

2013
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,759
broom started striking it

2014
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,359
she said it broke into two identical

2015
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,960
little spheres they floated around went

2016
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,319
back out the window

2017
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,400
but the objects i'm talking about

2018
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,799
they're generally spherical but not

2019
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,839
always

2020
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,839
they're generally an inch or two to a

2021
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:27,520
foot to two in diameter

2022
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,239
they're sometimes solid metallic looking

2023
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:32,000
sometimes they're transparent or

2024
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,960
translucent

2025
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,880
and sometimes they're just bright light

2026
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,040
sources of different colors

2027
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,679
and they're very very interesting again

2028
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:41,839
because it comes so close to people

2029
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,199
and i'll give you a couple examples

2030
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,040
and i think you'll find some of those

2031
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:49,359
cases are very very interesting

2032
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:53,359
but um here's here's one of these small

2033
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,320
uh cases of one of these small objects

2034
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:57,600
that

2035
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,120
is not a sphere this happened just in

2036
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:03,280
when was this it was back in 2017 i

2037
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:04,400
believe

2038
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,880
and uh this is in fayette county but

2039
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,480
town called fayette city

2040
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,480
it was early morning and a man was got

2041
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,719
up early to warm up his wife's car so

2042
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:14,320
she can go to work and have a nice warm

2043
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,280
car

2044
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,440
and the whole area the whole patio out

2045
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,440
there was illuminated the lights are on

2046
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,440
he's walking down the steps towards her

2047
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:24,159
car and about 10 to 12 feet away by the

2048
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,360
right bumper

2049
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,679
he sees he said i don't even know how to

2050
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:29,440
explain it he said this thing was about

2051
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,640
two feet tall

2052
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,960
shaped like a haystack the object was

2053
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,840
translucent

2054
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,840
shiny and a milky white color there were

2055
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,440
vertical ribs that seemed to be

2056
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,520
superstructure that looked like chrome

2057
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,880
straws that would be seen through the

2058
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,320
translucent structure

2059
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,880
the object which was silent was gliding

2060
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,719
one to two inches off the ground

2061
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,040
and was motionless when he first saw it

2062
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,880
he said whatever the object was several

2063
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,800
seconds later it must have detected he

2064
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,080
was there

2065
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:56,000
and he was only about six feet away from

2066
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,440
it it suddenly zoomed

2067
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,239
extremely fast across the driveway uh to

2068
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,679
the left side of the car

2069
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,679
made a perfect right angle down along

2070
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,679
the driver's side where it was dark in

2071
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,880
that area of the garage

2072
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,760
and he never saw it again that's very

2073
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:11,440
very interesting

2074
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,960
here's the case from 2019 in daylight

2075
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,040
from one of my researchers says is jim

2076
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,400
brown up in fayette county

2077
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,320
he investigated the incident in november

2078
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,600
of 2019

2079
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,360
where a man was on his way home that

2080
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,239
afternoon and he's going up the rise

2081
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,440
of a road and he sees his ball of

2082
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,000
this ball on the ground it's about two

2083
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,239
feet across and was blocking the road

2084
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,400
he couldn't get home unless the ball was

2085
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,159
moved he didn't know what this thing was

2086
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,159
he couldn't figure it out so he decided

2087
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,239
he got out of the car and started

2088
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:43,840
walking towards it

2089
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,880
and he had just shut the door and began

2090
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,400
to approach it and he said they began to

2091
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:49,679
physically fade away

2092
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:52,000
in a few seconds it completely vanished

2093
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,280
and then it disappeared

2094
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,400
it never moved just faded away and he

2095
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:58,159
has no idea what this thing was but he

2096
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,640
said

2097
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,040
it was silvery gray in color just a

2098
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,440
sphere about two feet in diameter

2099
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:06,159
and um that's the kind of reports that

2100
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:06,719
people

2101
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,920
uh are coming up with now

2102
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,000
uh you know the one of the things i i

2103
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:13,600
think of when when it comes to the small

2104
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:13,840
and

2105
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:17,600
the the size of the ufo shouldn't really

2106
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,800
matter that much but i think of uh like

2107
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:23,199
a drone type situation

2108
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:26,719
are these things considerably

2109
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:30,080
uh the is the opinion of these that they

2110
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,320
are

2111
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,120
intelligently operating on on all of

2112
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,000
these or most of these

2113
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,920
well again these reports go back many

2114
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,520
many years i mean when i first heard

2115
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,960
about them i thought that were

2116
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,040
could be doing whatever they are there's

2117
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:45,280
some type of remote devices sending back

2118
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,480
some type of

2119
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,960
data whether it's audio and visual or

2120
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,560
both to another source

2121
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,080
so were they some type of remotely

2122
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,600
controlled objects

2123
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,000
and of course now you've got these navy

2124
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:59,120
reports of something going on

2125
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,800
and i don't know what's going on but it

2126
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,360
gets much more fascinating because

2127
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,080
these small spheres of light they keep

2128
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,159
reappearing in areas we have repeat

2129
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,760
activity i'm sure when you talk about

2130
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:11,280
the skinwalker ranch they probably will

2131
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,640
talk about some of those

2132
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,560
they are appearing in other areas around

2133
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:16,320
pennsylvania around the country

2134
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,600
but in more recent years not only in

2135
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,199
pennsylvania from around the country and

2136
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:22,560
if you go on the internet you'll see

2137
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,199
more and more

2138
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,280
discussion about this bigfoot

2139
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,440
researchers are out in areas

2140
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,840
that have a history of bigfoot

2141
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,960
encounters

2142
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,560
and many of those people including in

2143
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,320
recent weeks here in pennsylvania

2144
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,080
are reporting seeing these unusual

2145
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,239
spheres of light or other weird

2146
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:41,120
life phenomena that they cannot explain

2147
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,440
so

2148
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,840
now you got this tie in and for example

2149
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,199
let me give you this report

2150
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,520
this is outside of pittsburgh and this

2151
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:48,960
just happened

2152
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,239
in may of 2019 early morning hours this

2153
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,080
man happened to look out his windows and

2154
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:55,360
i believe the kitchen looked out the

2155
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,400
back window

2156
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,000
it was illuminated the outside was

2157
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:59,600
illuminated pretty well from artificial

2158
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,239
lighting

2159
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,239
he sees a small bigfoot we get those

2160
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:04,080
reports too about four and a half to

2161
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,520
five feet tall

2162
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,840
it uh covered in dark hair with long

2163
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,760
hair on the head in the back

2164
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:11,760
walk on two legs the arms are down past

2165
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,199
the knees you can see the arm swinging

2166
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,320
the creature i had a long stride and it

2167
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,000
went through a neighbor's yard into a

2168
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,480
wooded area and it passed right into

2169
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,159
this particular wooded area

2170
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,960
about three seconds later right at that

2171
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,520
location where it entered the woods

2172
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,000
a bright sphere of light about three to

2173
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,719
four inches diameter suddenly appeared

2174
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,239
the witness said it was like looking

2175
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,840
directly into the front of a flashlight

2176
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,679
about four feet off the ground

2177
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,360
the light then moved a short distance

2178
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,280
for about three seconds and vanished

2179
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,360
a few seconds later the light reappeared

2180
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,120
again about 10 feet away

2181
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:49,120
and this time the small series emitted a

2182
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,320
bright beam of light

2183
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,880
about 10 to 12 feet long a few seconds

2184
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:54,480
later it vanished and that's the last we

2185
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,199
saw of it

2186
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,040
so these are the kind of things that are

2187
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:59,120
going on but you hear very little about

2188
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:00,400
it

2189
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,320
know there was

2190
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,640
there was someone his name was terry i

2191
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:07,920
figured his last name

2192
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:11,600
he was doing research on the orange

2193
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:14,880
orb phenomenon is this along the same

2194
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:15,440
lines

2195
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,320
you mentioned different colored uh

2196
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:19,679
lights or whatever

2197
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:22,800
uh but is it is it the orbs as well

2198
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,679
as part of this uh and i'm not exactly

2199
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:30,159
sure what case you're referring to but i

2200
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,719
mean these

2201
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:33,120
orange lights i mean they're range again

2202
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,239
for anywhere from

2203
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:36,080
an inch or two in diameter to one to two

2204
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,600
foot in diameter approximately

2205
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,920
and again they're generally spherical

2206
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,040
but not always

2207
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,000
but going back to the 70s if i remember

2208
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,320
from washington state and other areas

2209
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,159
there was a lot of reports coming in of

2210
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:50,080
these strange spheres of light orbs of

2211
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:51,760
light in the trees low level

2212
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:55,120
where bigfoot activity was going on and

2213
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,719
as i recall going back to 1972 when i

2214
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,320
first began to hear

2215
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,000
some indication of something like this

2216
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:04,080
has shown up in 73 turned up and we

2217
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,760
began to see a lot of reports

2218
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,199
but some people said they were like

2219
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,199
oversized fireflies

2220
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,360
very close to homes and the bushes load

2221
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,480
to the ground

2222
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,480
and i remember a bigfoot researcher told

2223
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,120
me from a few years ago

2224
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,199
there was an amazing case with a bigfoot

2225
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,360
where up in fayette county

2226
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,640
um where this creature actually uh

2227
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,280
the 2000 the car we're stan we're

2228
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:28,800
sitting in a vehicle

2229
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,120
because this this bigfoot the seven

2230
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,560
eight foot tall creature

2231
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,320
had come down the hillside was standing

2232
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:36,159
20 feet in the road right in front of

2233
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,719
them

2234
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,239
and neither one was moving they were

2235
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:40,159
staring each other had glowing red eyes

2236
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,840
which is very common a lot of reports

2237
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,159
luminous eyes of various colors

2238
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,719
and they actually slowly moved her car

2239
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:47,520
forward

2240
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,280
and had the the um they actually had

2241
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,679
uh the vehicle actually was touching the

2242
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,520
knees of this creature and it turned out

2243
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,880
i had his hands on the front of the

2244
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,840
vehicle

2245
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:59,120
and then it turned around started

2246
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:00,560
walking down the road and went off into

2247
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,360
the woods

2248
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,360
but within the week a number of bigfoot

2249
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,360
investigators were up to that site

2250
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,960
and various ones you put us in these

2251
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,480
strange lights in the sky

2252
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:10,480
but i remember one tell me about what

2253
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,600
looked like a

2254
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,000
very large swarm of these large

2255
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,000
oversized fireflies

2256
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,159
and they would be in big swarms but

2257
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:20,000
interestingly as they're moving

2258
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:22,000
they're illuminating in the whole area

2259
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,280
around it

2260
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,520
and he tried a couple of times i recall

2261
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:27,199
to go towards it and every time he moved

2262
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,800
towards it the swarm would move away so

2263
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,400
he couldn't get near them

2264
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,480
so there's a lot of things out there

2265
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:34,880
that are very unusual going on

2266
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,239
wow the luminous eyes that is so wild

2267
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:41,679
and i know i had uh frank fischino

2268
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,800
on talking about the flatwoods monster

2269
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,080
and that's one of the things

2270
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:48,960
it you know whatever that was had

2271
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,000
luminous eyes

2272
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,239
as well really bizarre there's i'll just

2273
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,760
take a a quick jag

2274
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:56,080
dave altman's in the uh in chat and

2275
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,880
listening and he

2276
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:59,199
he was asking if you could talk about

2277
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,159
the dragon

2278
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:02,560
encounter are you you must be familiar

2279
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:10,229
uh there have been a number of reports

2280
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,600
from pennsylvania and i probably need to

2281
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,120
clarify this a little bit

2282
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,679
there have been many reports of what for

2283
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,960
a better term we call thunderbird

2284
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,480
sightings for years and years going back

2285
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:22,560
to maybe the 1800s

2286
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,840
but there have been some significant uh

2287
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:26,880
reports of these

2288
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:33,910
some of the reports indicate this thing

2289
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:37,440
has a 10 to 20 foot wingspan

2290
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:41,280
and anyhow uh they'll look like an

2291
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:42,960
oversized turkey vulture as i said

2292
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:45,440
they're generally dark brown or black

2293
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:49,040
and there's other reports though within

2294
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:50,560
that

2295
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,920
subtitle of thunderbirds but they're not

2296
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:55,360
just oversized birds there's other

2297
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:56,640
people reporting that some of these

2298
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,440
things look like

2299
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,560
leathery uh leathery giant

2300
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,600
quite often black bats huge black bats

2301
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:05,840
as some of these people were seeing

2302
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,239
and then you've got these other reports

2303
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:13,440
of um what some people swear they've

2304
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,000
seen

2305
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,440
that look something like a pterodactyl

2306
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:19,520
like prehistoric birds

2307
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,000
so those are very very intriguing i

2308
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:24,719
think the case he might be talking about

2309
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,600
happened back uh 2012 again up up in

2310
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,280
fayette county where so many

2311
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:31,440
very strange things have happened and

2312
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:32,560
this fella

2313
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:36,719
was walking his dog that evening and

2314
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,239
they had some outside lights on and um

2315
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,719
his tension was drawn upward after they

2316
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:44,320
heard like this whooshing sound from

2317
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:46,080
overhead

2318
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,280
and i believe he sells about 50 feet

2319
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,400
50 feet or so away he sees something

2320
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:55,120
he said it looked like a dragon that

2321
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,320
passed over the

2322
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:59,280
automatic dust of dawn light and he said

2323
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,000
this thing had a body about 22 feet long

2324
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,400
with a wingspan about 18 feet wide

2325
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,159
looked shiny with almost reflective body

2326
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,520
with no scales

2327
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:10,080
and the color was dark kind of a brown

2328
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:10,880
or red color

2329
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,239
similar to auburn uh brown he said on

2330
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:15,679
the wings there appeared to be talon

2331
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,080
like fingers by three to four in number

2332
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,679
the wings were quite thick and not like

2333
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,360
skinned appeared to be a rear fin on the

2334
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,719
back side of the body

2335
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,480
creed's displayed an early head shaped

2336
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,040
tail and appeared to be

2337
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,880
he could see the two extended rear legs

2338
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,880
on this thing he said the weirdest thing

2339
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,000
was

2340
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,360
orange glow

2341
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,600
around the mouth and eyes and the

2342
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,520
creature flew down

2343
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,000
over the trees down further into the

2344
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:43,840
yard and he said it made a sound

2345
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,600
like a foghorn on a boat and uh there

2346
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,120
have been some other reports of

2347
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,199
something as people swear

2348
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,760
is like a dragon and then the reports

2349
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,360
get weirder and weirder i mean

2350
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:57,280
there are so many unusual creature

2351
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:58,560
reports we're working on

2352
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,679
actually i'm working on a uh a script

2353
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,040
for a book right now of some of the

2354
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,560
weird word things been reported

2355
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,000
over the last several years and some of

2356
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,400
these are very very bizarre reports but

2357
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,560
what we call or what people begin to

2358
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,159
call now the

2359
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,800
the gargoyle butler county gargoyle this

2360
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:17,040
is from 2011. i interviewed this witness

2361
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,560
many many times the guy is very

2362
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:20,639
professional he's a businessman

2363
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:24,719
and he was riding up in butler county

2364
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,639
uh early one morning late in the early

2365
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:28,400
one morning between chikura and east

2366
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,360
brady

2367
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:31,199
and his headlights catch this thing in

2368
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,719
the field to his right he thought it was

2369
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:33,679
a deer

2370
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,679
and as he approaches closer this thing

2371
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,440
rises from the ground

2372
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,199
takes three big steps in front of him

2373
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,960
and off into the woods it went across

2374
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,400
right into the woods

2375
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:44,880
when he interviewed him the first time

2376
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,719
he went on to say that he said i know

2377
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,239
people talk about bigfoot he said

2378
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,320
this thing was not a bigfoot he said

2379
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,320
this thing is at least eight foot tall

2380
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,159
but it was covered with a smooth level

2381
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,000
like skin that was either dark

2382
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,960
tan or light brown and he said the head

2383
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,560
appeared to be flat kind of like an

2384
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,239
aerodynamic helmet

2385
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,360
the uh that the face was flat the eyes

2386
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,040
were kind of curved back

2387
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,679
the ears off on the one side the ear was

2388
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,679
left side was long and flat

2389
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,080
and went backwards cut something like a

2390
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:16,400
flap but he said the arms were muscular

2391
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,159
a little longer than that of a human

2392
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,199
the hands had claws and he said what

2393
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,040
really stuck out was they had very

2394
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,560
muscular legs

2395
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,960
and he said the legs did not move like

2396
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:28,400
that of a human they looked like they

2397
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,520
were bent backwards

2398
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,159
and he said it had what appeared to be

2399
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,600
wings on its back

2400
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,760
which were tucked into its body with the

2401
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,600
wingtips extending toward the side of

2402
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,199
its head

2403
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,600
and with these days a number of other

2404
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,280
people in the same year reported other

2405
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,280
sightings as well

2406
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:46,719
it's almost like you know what you're

2407
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:49,120
describing little bits of it sound like

2408
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:49,520
the

2409
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,000
it and

2410
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,239
yeah it's just fascinating and and that

2411
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,679
doesn't even get into some of the

2412
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,360
strange reports we've had for

2413
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:05,120
the last several years and this goes on

2414
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,560
year after year

2415
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:08,239
people are seeing these things and and

2416
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:09,920
even stranger things

2417
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,880
that continue to be reported it's such a

2418
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,159
strange phenomena

2419
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,320
and like i said i i uncovered a lot of

2420
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:18,239
strange things about bigfoot but it goes

2421
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:19,040
further

2422
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,320
and when your friend i think you

2423
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,840
mentioned your friend was talking about

2424
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,400
the

2425
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,000
glowing sphere or whatever or somebody

2426
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,719
talked about ghost lights or whatever

2427
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,120
the more you look in this phenomenon the

2428
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,639
more people i've talked to over the

2429
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,360
years

2430
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,520
there there is some similarity and there

2431
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,600
may well be some association with other

2432
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:37,840
types of paranormal phenomena as well

2433
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:40,400
we just don't understand it but a lot of

2434
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,760
what the people

2435
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:43,120
in the paranormal field have

2436
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:45,040
investigated with these balls of light

2437
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,320
or orbs of light

2438
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,719
and other phenomena there's some strong

2439
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:50,000
similarities with some of the other

2440
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,120
phenomena that

2441
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:53,520
i'm finding with bigfoot and ufos and

2442
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,239
believe me

2443
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,120
my journey in this field did not was not

2444
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:58,880
in this direction i wasn't looking for

2445
01:24:02,709 --> 01:23:59,360
this

2446
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,719
years and years ago

2447
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,639
and when so many different people who

2448
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:06,159
didn't have any way of knowing each

2449
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,600
other over many years

2450
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:10,000
begin to give you these little details

2451
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,639
and then you

2452
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,960
begin to see these patterns you can't

2453
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,719
just throw this out and eliminate it

2454
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:17,199
i don't understand it i like i said i

2455
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,639
think it's way beyond anybody's

2456
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,920
understanding right now

2457
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,400
but i think it's going on i i think it's

2458
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:24,000
very likely the government knows a lot

2459
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,560
more about

2460
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,800
any of this various sonoma but ufos are

2461
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,159
bigfoot they're telling the public

2462
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,679
but i don't think they have the answers

2463
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,280
either right

2464
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:33,199
yeah i've said that many times on the

2465
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,480
show now

2466
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,480
what about let's talk about the whitney

2467
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,239
you know some of the witnesses that come

2468
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:41,440
forward how reluctant are they to

2469
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:45,840
really open up and uh and speak to you

2470
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,560
and that's my a and the b side of this

2471
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,679
question is

2472
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:52,080
are there every like really large groups

2473
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:53,199
of witnesses

2474
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:00,709
um yes and yes uh

2475
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,760
people from all walks of life have come

2476
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,520
talked to me and i'm not you know maybe

2477
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,960
i've talked to other researchers too but

2478
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,000
i deal with these people

2479
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:10,719
quite often and i can remember probably

2480
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:12,080
the last three years i

2481
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,400
um i interviewed independent several

2482
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,560
experienced hunters and outdoorsmen all

2483
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:20,239
who had different experiences different

2484
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,199
locations

2485
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,960
i mean some of these guys i mean these

2486
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,040
guys are probably 30s and 40s

2487
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:27,600
spent years out in the woods and i mean

2488
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,320
these guys

2489
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,920
out there and i remember one of them was

2490
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:31,280
trembling with tears coming out of his

2491
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,920
eyes

2492
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,080
and he just could not deal with what he

2493
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,000
saw i mean some of these people

2494
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,679
the screams and cries they heard from

2495
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,520
these creatures what they saw

2496
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:42,080
i mean their lives were changed i mean i

2497
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,960
i can think of

2498
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,360
not many people over the years that i've

2499
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,040
i'm still in touch with

2500
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,360
um who never never would have believed

2501
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:51,040
that these things could take place or be

2502
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,520
real

2503
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,360
and some of these guys have spent their

2504
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,880
their life was going on hunting and

2505
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,159
going in the woods and these guys have

2506
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,679
told me i'll never go back up in the

2507
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,639
woods again

2508
01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:00,159
i mean those are the kind of things that

2509
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,840
are going on yeah and

2510
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,760
it's just amazing the whole point is

2511
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:05,040
this

2512
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,639
and we haven't even touched on some of

2513
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:08,080
these other strange creature reports

2514
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,280
that have been coming in

2515
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,560
that you've got all these different

2516
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,880
unknown creatures and yet we cannot

2517
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,960
possibly have so many type of unknown

2518
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,400
species out there

2519
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:20,320
like you've got so many different

2520
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:21,440
credible people

2521
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,800
with different backgrounds from

2522
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:24,239
different areas that don't know each

2523
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,719
other

2524
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,400
tell us the same stories the same

2525
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:27,920
details over the years

2526
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,800
you can't eliminate the reports so we

2527
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,320
have to be dealing with something

2528
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,480
that we just don't understand right now

2529
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:36,000
and again i'm saying for a lack of a

2530
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,719
better term

2531
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,639
could be interdimensional that whatever

2532
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,920
we're dealing with under certain

2533
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,560
conditions

2534
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,159
they come in and out of our physical

2535
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,719
reality they can leave evidence at times

2536
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:46,480
and then they're gone

2537
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,679
and it's just it's just gets stranger

2538
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:51,040
and stranger i mean i just got an

2539
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,239
interesting report here in the last

2540
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:54,080
couple of hours so an investigator

2541
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,600
that just got a whole report it happened

2542
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:57,040
very recently i'm not ready to talk

2543
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:58,400
about it yet because i need to go into

2544
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:58,800
it

2545
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,880
where people are telling me

2546
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,400
that it's like these things are like

2547
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:06,080
watching a predator movie like with

2548
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,800
bigfoot

2549
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,840
i mean i had one member of a family who

2550
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,760
was riding down the road a few years ago

2551
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:14,800
early morning going to work and

2552
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,679
she wrote me a several pages our report

2553
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,040
on it

2554
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:21,280
extremely reluctant to even talk to me

2555
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,400
or anybody

2556
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,880
and she said it was like watching a

2557
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,159
predator movie she said

2558
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,000
we're going down the road and suddenly

2559
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:30,000
this huge eight foot tall hair covered

2560
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:31,520
creature suddenly appears in front of

2561
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,239
the car

2562
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:34,719
it's going along the road i can see from

2563
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,520
head to toe

2564
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:38,480
and it's suddenly poof it's gone these

2565
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:38,880
things

2566
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,520
appear and disappear i had another case

2567
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,440
at the base of the of the dairy of

2568
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:46,000
dairy along the chest ridges off years

2569
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,560
ago

2570
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,719
man's riding down the road that evening

2571
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,239
and he said

2572
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:53,520
about 75 feet away this about seven

2573
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:56,239
foot tall very broad-shouldered

2574
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,760
something you can see the whole outline

2575
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,199
this thing is very broad shoulder kind

2576
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:00,719
of stooped over

2577
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,679
and he said it's like misty foggy it's

2578
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,080
not physically solid i can see its shape

2579
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,000
and it appears to be more floating or

2580
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,920
gliding above the road into the field

2581
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:11,280
than it's gone

2582
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,480
and we've heard that with bigfoot

2583
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,880
reports the same thing whereas sometimes

2584
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,560
it's running very fast and looks

2585
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:18,800
physically solid but we have other cases

2586
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,440
where

2587
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,360
only parts of the body is physically

2588
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,560
solid sometimes

2589
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,400
parts of the body is out of focus

2590
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,800
sometimes they're misty or foggy

2591
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,360
it's just so bizarre and if there's only

2592
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,719
one or two reports you say

2593
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,560
it's imagination but when you start

2594
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,320
getting these reports from

2595
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,480
all over the state and all all across

2596
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:38,320
the country and from other countries

2597
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,520
then you've got to realize there's

2598
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,080
something going on here

2599
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:45,360
yeah that's right um it was jane goodall

2600
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:48,639
um the woman that lived among the uh

2601
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,760
apes you know years ago she

2602
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:54,080
she has actually thought that there

2603
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:55,520
could be something

2604
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:58,239
to the bigfoot thing um you know because

2605
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,560
of

2606
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:01,120
people seeing it you just mentioned in

2607
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:02,080
other countries

2608
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,600
and she went into all the countries

2609
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:05,520
where people are claiming

2610
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:07,120
that they see that getting back to the

2611
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,840
second part of the question are there

2612
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,320
any like

2613
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,560
mass witness sightings or is that all

2614
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:14,480
just people remotely in the woods

2615
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,679
uh that see things like this

2616
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,600
uh no there have been cases where there

2617
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,199
have been multiple witnesses

2618
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:23,440
both with ufos and bigfoot and you know

2619
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,080
we talk about the phoenix light case

2620
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,400
phoenix lights case from years ago but

2621
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,320
here in pennsylvania and let me tell my

2622
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,000
memory is february

2623
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:34,400
we were february of 92 near williamsport

2624
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:35,600
pennsylvania

2625
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,040
there was a mass sighting late afternoon

2626
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,080
over a highly populated area

2627
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,239
and one or more of these very large

2628
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:46,480
solid boomerang triangular objects was

2629
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:47,120
observed

2630
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:50,560
very low to the ground you know most ufo

2631
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:52,080
reports we get these things make no

2632
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,719
sound

2633
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,800
but in some cases these things make a

2634
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:56,239
terrific sound

2635
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:57,760
this was like according to people it was

2636
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,520
like a a railroad car

2637
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,920
train coming up the road was no railroad

2638
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,920
and people were running outside that day

2639
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,440
to see where the sound was coming from

2640
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,199
and this thing was moving so

2641
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:09,760
slow people walking underneath it and

2642
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,480
getting great

2643
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:13,280
uh great uh observations of this thing

2644
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,239
and it's made

2645
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,320
this made a lot of news locally in the

2646
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,760
small town papers

2647
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:18,800
you would have thought it would have

2648
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,280
been making national news

2649
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,159
it was a very long detail investigation

2650
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:25,840
was done on this thing

2651
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,679
and nobody was ever tracked down what

2652
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,400
this thing was

2653
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,840
but it was amazing so there were

2654
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:33,600
multitudes of witnesses there

2655
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,719
so a lot of cases i get yes there are

2656
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,360
multiple witnesses and in lots of cases

2657
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,520
i'll get reports coming in

2658
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:43,440
simultaneously from other people in the

2659
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:44,400
same area

2660
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:47,520
or sometimes days or months later i'll

2661
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:48,080
get other

2662
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:49,520
leads and other people coming forward

2663
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,440
and saying yeah i saw that too

2664
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,960
and we've also had that with bigfoot

2665
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:54,719
casey would have been multiple witnesses

2666
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:55,440
involved

2667
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:57,520
it's not just one person many times

2668
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,880
there's more than one witness

2669
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,960
to many of these cases that are coming

2670
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,960
in so yes that is not uncommon

2671
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:04,960
whatsoever

2672
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:08,639
amazing um there was uh there was a

2673
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,000
uh latrobe uh pa bigfoot sighting

2674
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:14,480
uh near saint rose church in the 1970's

2675
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,760
are you familiar with that one someone

2676
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,400
wanted to know

2677
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,440
if you were uh

2678
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:21,360
can you can you repeat that again i

2679
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,000
cling here i think he spelled it wrong

2680
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:27,199
latatro but i think it's letro pa

2681
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,040
back in the 1970s sure yeah that that's

2682
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:32,880
probably one of the many many cases i

2683
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,840
investigated

2684
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:35,600
that's doing that massive bigfoot

2685
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,080
sighting so latrobe pennsylvania which

2686
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,159
is the hometown of arnold palmer

2687
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,320
was an area of it's very close to the

2688
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,800
chestnut ridge so on one side you've got

2689
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,639
youngstown you have the dairy township

2690
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:49,199
which continues to be a hotbed phenomena

2691
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,159
i had a very good uh interesting daytime

2692
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:54,239
bigfoot sighting up on the ridge

2693
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,159
in february of this year i interviewed

2694
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:58,320
the guy he's been a long-time

2695
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:01,679
outdoorsman he saw the 7 8 foot tall

2696
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,600
uh dirty white hairy bigfoot in daylight

2697
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:08,159
so just several weeks ago unfortunately

2698
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:09,760
didn't even have a cell phone or camera

2699
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,880
to take a picture of it

2700
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,239
but he saw something he had never

2701
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:14,080
believed it and never saw before

2702
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,360
and then we were getting reports of

2703
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,360
large tracks up there uh

2704
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:19,120
along the ridge and big tracks in the

2705
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,480
snow but

2706
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:22,639
that happens very commonly up around

2707
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,080
there and

2708
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:26,080
there were many many sightings around

2709
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,440
latrobe and derry my

2710
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,360
the whole story is my silent invasion

2711
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,199
book which goes into great detail

2712
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,000
about that massive wave in 73. and my

2713
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:35,760
teams are out there day and night

2714
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:38,000
during that outbreak in 73 especially

2715
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:40,159
along that area around latrobe and derry

2716
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:40,719
and

2717
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:48,719
sightings daylight as well as at night

2718
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,639
there was a lot of physical evidence we

2719
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:52,400
found that some of these cases

2720
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:55,040
there was this amazing reports coming in

2721
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:56,800
and that area still continues to be

2722
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,709
wow yeah that that's all fascinating

2723
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:04,239
really really amazing

2724
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,360
um and yeah i had never heard that story

2725
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:09,120
you just mentioned about

2726
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,480
the you know mass sighting of triangle

2727
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:13,600
did you say there was more than

2728
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:16,159
there were two two triangles that were

2729
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,920
seen

2730
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,440
there could have been more than one

2731
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,360
because it was from a widespread area

2732
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:23,280
came in from more than one county

2733
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:24,560
but a lot of it was right around

2734
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:27,920
williamsport pennsylvania

2735
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,080
yeah that's right and was it just a one

2736
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,040
was it a one day thing

2737
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:35,199
say it again was that a one-time

2738
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:38,480
situation or was it a repeat thing

2739
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,719
i believe from i remember i could be

2740
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:42,159
wrong but i think it was mainly a

2741
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:43,920
one-time situation most of it

2742
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,120
i think there may have been some other

2743
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:47,280
sightings later but i believe that was

2744
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:48,400
mainly a one-time

2745
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:51,440
incident and

2746
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:53,199
when you said earlier you said that

2747
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,719
these things are

2748
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:57,120
happening all over the country so you

2749
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,400
you really are paying

2750
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:01,360
besides trying to take hold of all the

2751
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,480
investigating

2752
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:04,400
that you're doing or involved with or

2753
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:05,920
people you know are involved with you're

2754
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:06,639
actually

2755
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:08,400
looking out to see if there's

2756
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,719
similarities is that is that what it is

2757
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:13,040
in other places yeah and i get calls

2758
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:14,560
from all over the country i mean i don't

2759
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,159
mainly in pennsylvania okay

2760
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,639
yeah but i deal with people from around

2761
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:20,320
the country people call witnesses call

2762
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:22,159
me investigators call me

2763
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:24,960
and uh for example while this was going

2764
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:27,679
on here in march for example in pa

2765
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:30,000
um there was another group down in west

2766
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:31,600
virginia they're very active

2767
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,960
and they i had an incident where in the

2768
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,800
afternoon a fellow who was a

2769
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:38,560
non-believer apparently

2770
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,440
in ufos so we saw in videotape it's a

2771
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:43,199
very good video of what

2772
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,199
you could call a tic tac a cigar-shaped

2773
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:47,760
object moving across the sky

2774
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:50,400
and i had a few other reports that same

2775
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,239
day here in pennsylvania

2776
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:54,000
so things are going on i think in a lot

2777
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,760
of places i'm hearing there's quite been

2778
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:57,119
quite a bit of activity in other parts

2779
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,520
of

2780
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,600
the country too but again i'm doing

2781
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:02,080
mainly here in pennsylvania

2782
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,360
right and since uh since with the lock

2783
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:07,679
down or so-called lockdown over the year

2784
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:09,760
how it sounds like things have increased

2785
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:12,880
there is that is that the case

2786
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:16,320
i i can't say in increased i i can say

2787
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:18,320
this this is interesting what's happened

2788
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,600
late february and march

2789
01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,520
where we've had the surge of activity

2790
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,360
it's nothing like the 70s with the

2791
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:24,880
hundreds and hundreds of reports coming

2792
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:25,840
in but there have been

2793
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,000
quite a number of reports coming in but

2794
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,000
it goes like this in cycles

2795
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,760
i mean since if you go to our website

2796
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,960
and you can read some of the past

2797
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,239
reports on there

2798
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,560
2017 has some very interesting cape but

2799
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:39,280
2018 became very active with bigfoot

2800
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,480
and ufo encrypted cases 2019 was

2801
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,360
very very active with reports so again a

2802
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,440
lot of these are detailed close-up

2803
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,400
observations of various phenomena and to

2804
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:51,840
my surprise

2805
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,480
2020 has been quite active with reports

2806
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:56,000
i mean it's been steady right through

2807
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,159
until the we got into the winter time

2808
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:59,920
which things slowed down even more

2809
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:01,840
but i was very surprised with the the

2810
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,520
virus situation

2811
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,119
of the number of reports have been

2812
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,030
and uh stan your your uh your website

2813
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:13,520
uh you mentioned a couple times i'm just

2814
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,639
gonna pull up

2815
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,880
um for everyone to see to check it out

2816
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:17,760
it's

2817
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,920
uh stan gordon is one word dot info

2818
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,159
uh people can check that out and like i

2819
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,679
said i'll i'll pull it up here

2820
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:27,760
so people can see it on on youtube and

2821
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:30,239
it is uh shared in the show notes

2822
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:33,679
that anyone uh can go ahead and see

2823
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:37,280
um you said that you were are working

2824
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,400
um on a book now and

2825
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,400
it has to do a lot with uh you're saying

2826
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:44,080
the strange animals that we're basically

2827
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:45,440
talking about a lot of it

2828
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:48,159
tonight it's gonna talk about a lot of

2829
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:49,920
these strange creature different type of

2830
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,639
creature report and ufo reports as well

2831
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:54,400
so there'll be a lot of cases in there

2832
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:55,760
that a lot of people probably have never

2833
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,800
heard of before and

2834
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:58,480
even some of these cryptid reports that

2835
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,080
they've never heard of before

2836
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,719
so um i'm hoping that hoping to get it

2837
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:04,000
out in the next few months things just

2838
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:05,360
slowed down a little and

2839
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,880
got back stepped here with all the

2840
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:08,719
activity and the virus situation around

2841
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,520
here so

2842
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,960
hopefully the next few months we'll have

2843
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,360
it out but these kind of cases are going

2844
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,360
on year after year

2845
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,920
and it's um the no before i know about

2846
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:19,520
the phenomena the stranger it is i said

2847
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,080
many many

2848
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,239
years ago the phenomenon is so strange

2849
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:28,149
it protects itself in a way from people

2850
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,000
taking it seriously because it's just so

2851
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,719
far out is that what you mean

2852
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,800
no because it's so unusual that who's

2853
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,239
going to believe unless you experience

2854
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,400
it yourself it's so unusual just like we

2855
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,440
started the show

2856
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,960
and and that's a lot of people are

2857
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,800
skeptical of these kind of reports until

2858
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,440
they learn

2859
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,040
more and more about it and realize

2860
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,960
there's something going on here

2861
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,119
there's something actually going on too

2862
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:50,719
many people were involved in this from

2863
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,679
all over the country

2864
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:53,520
that want no publicity have nothing to

2865
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:55,040
gain i mean why would

2866
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,119
a police officer an engineer a school

2867
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,040
teacher a hunter

2868
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,800
contact somebody privately don't want

2869
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:01,920
their name out there they just want to

2870
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:03,360
know if anybody else ever saw you like

2871
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:04,159
this before

2872
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:07,920
it's very common right right

2873
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:10,880
um yeah so you just mentioned police

2874
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:13,040
police officers do you have a lot of

2875
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,159
police officer reports in in

2876
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,480
pennsylvania

2877
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:20,719
over the years i've interviewed numerous

2878
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:23,679
police officers who have seen

2879
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,239
everything from ufos and some experience

2880
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,119
other strange incidents out there

2881
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:31,360
um and i'll tell you once you know and i

2882
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,480
think you'll find it's fascinating

2883
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:34,560
because this is another cryptid

2884
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:37,119
that's beginning to get reports now from

2885
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,320
around the country

2886
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,719
it's something a lot different and i got

2887
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,480
this report from a police officer back

2888
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,560
in 2017 in pennsylvania

2889
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,480
he called me a short time after he saw

2890
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:48,800
this thing wow on patrol

2891
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,000
and um it's a very very strange report

2892
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,800
but within weeks other rep and people

2893
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,639
without knowing about it people began to

2894
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,560
report seeing something similar

2895
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,560
and now it's be something similar is

2896
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:02,159
being reported around the country

2897
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,639
so this police officer is on patrol in

2898
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,639
the area he calmly

2899
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,639
would patrol these areas at night and

2900
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,560
they just ride down this back road

2901
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,400
he sees what appears to be a ball of

2902
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,080
very dull white light

2903
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,960
on the ground and he stops there because

2904
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,880
he's thinking i don't recall any kind of

2905
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,719
artificial lighting around here

2906
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,560
and as he's looking at this thing

2907
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:24,000
suddenly

2908
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:26,080
this ball of light rises up from the

2909
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,360
ground

2910
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,600
and he realizes that the ball of light

2911
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,280
is actually the head

2912
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,760
of a very strange being about six feet

2913
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,040
or taller

2914
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:38,080
it would tall and on a skeletal thin it

2915
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:39,679
was it was completely hairless by the

2916
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,320
way

2917
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,960
he said um he believes his thing was

2918
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,800
laying on its belly lying on his belly

2919
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:46,159
on the ground with his head facing

2920
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,199
towards the road

2921
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,920
it stood up facing the road it was very

2922
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,679
dark in that location he saw the dull

2923
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,119
light from the glowing head illuminate

2924
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,280
the upper section of the body

2925
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,280
he watched this thing turn to the right

2926
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,560
and he said

2927
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,400
the creature turned and faced him then

2928
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:02,000
turned to the left and took off at an

2929
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:03,600
incredible speed

2930
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:06,080
away a location from the road as it

2931
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:07,760
moved off he said the witness could see

2932
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,000
his

2933
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,880
arm swinging he said he indicated it

2934
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:12,239
took off at a speed that he could only

2935
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:12,560
call

2936
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,960
abnormal he said it moved faster than

2937
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,560
anything he'd ever seen before

2938
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,560
it was there and then was gone

2939
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:20,480
interestingly almost the same words that

2940
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:21,920
some people described with bigfoot and

2941
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:23,119
other crypt is where they appear and

2942
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:24,400
disappear

2943
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:27,440
and um when it was gone he pulled his

2944
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:29,280
vehicle up and put a spotlight on there

2945
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,800
was no traction or anything here

2946
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,400
he said this thing was at least six feet

2947
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:34,320
tall they had just about eight to ten

2948
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:36,080
inches in diameter shaped like a ball

2949
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,119
but it may have had

2950
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,600
some egg shape to it he said the light

2951
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:41,440
seemed to be just a dull white the light

2952
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,880
illuminated the shoulders

2953
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,719
the top of the chest and a section of

2954
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:46,800
the arms the witness could not see the

2955
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,440
hand

2956
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,840
the chest was about 18 inches across the

2957
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,520
waist appeared to be small

2958
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,840
but the arms were unusually long the

2959
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:55,679
long limbs looked skeletal with no

2960
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,719
muscle mass

2961
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,320
the skin tone appeared to be dull

2962
01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:00,639
grayish blue he could not see any facial

2963
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:01,840
features

2964
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:04,320
and of course he was very reluctant to

2965
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,280
report it

2966
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,840
but when a couple weeks later i've got

2967
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:09,840
another report

2968
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,719
from another person i'm only guessing i

2969
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,239
have to look at a map i can't remember

2970
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:16,560
exactly maybe 30 miles away 40 miles

2971
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:17,119
away

2972
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,840
in another area this person was outside

2973
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:21,760
way out in the country

2974
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,719
and she sees this large object hovering

2975
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:26,560
over the trees with multiple lights on

2976
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,440
her rotating bobbing up and down

2977
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:31,520
as this thing's hovering there she hears

2978
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:32,639
this really

2979
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:35,679
weird screeching screaming sound coming

2980
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:36,719
from the woods

2981
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,000
she said it was like an angry owl

2982
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,800
a very loud steady like an angry noise

2983
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:44,320
like an angry owl

2984
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:46,159
and this thing's still hovering there

2985
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:47,440
and soon after that

2986
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:48,880
she sees in the distance what you

2987
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,480
thought was a neighbor coming up out of

2988
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,239
the woods in her direction

2989
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:54,320
soon realized this wasn't a person at

2990
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:57,440
all but she sees his basic human form

2991
01:42:01,510 --> 01:42:00,000
about five foot eight inches tall heads

2992
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,520
was kind of egg shaped

2993
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,119
the color of the creature was on getting

2994
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:05,119
impression was very sickly and in poor

2995
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,679
health

2996
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:07,520
looked to be very like cream to ivory

2997
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,320
color and there was no facial features

2998
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:11,840
except around what be the mouth area

2999
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:13,280
that seemed to be a wrinkle down on one

3000
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:14,080
side

3001
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,920
thought it'd be thin hairless so it's

3002
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,800
very similar to what the policeman saw

3003
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:21,119
and then more reports and then i get a

3004
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,639
report from another fella

3005
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,560
whose homes is basically in the woods

3006
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,400
he's been a woodsman all his life he

3007
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,480
works out in the woods he knows the

3008
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:30,000
sound of deer and other animals because

3009
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,600
he lives with him

3010
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,040
and he said he was up in the woods

3011
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,040
behind his home working

3012
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:37,199
and he hears this bipedal sound that

3013
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,719
sounded very odd and then

3014
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,639
scare him a little say sign it down go

3015
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:42,000
down the woods i'll go to the house and

3016
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,480
eat

3017
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,800
so he goes down to his home he's down

3018
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,320
there a short time later

3019
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,239
he's sitting at his table which is about

3020
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,239
10 feet away from the back door

3021
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:52,000
that has no drape on it so it's

3022
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:53,360
unobstructed

3023
01:42:58,229 --> 01:42:57,040
and he sees this creature crouched down

3024
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,239
at the door

3025
01:43:01,750 --> 01:43:00,080
he said a humanoid shape being with his

3026
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:01,760
hands and knees staring directly at the

3027
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,480
witness

3028
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,400
creature looked like a skeleton skeleton

3029
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,159
cut with all gray skin

3030
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,560
the creature was down on his gray bony

3031
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:10,400
legs the legs look similar to that of a

3032
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,199
greyhound

3033
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,960
the arms were very long bony and

3034
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,880
hairless the head was around the neck

3035
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,920
was small

3036
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:18,159
and the eyes were glowing a dull yellow

3037
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,960
color

3038
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,480
he estimated this thing would stand to

3039
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:22,000
be six or seven feet tall

3040
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,840
he could see its spine protruding has it

3041
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,920
moved it crouched down and went across

3042
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,440
around the house and was gone

3043
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:29,040
that's the kind of things that are going

3044
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:30,800
on but you're not gonna hear about it in

3045
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,080
the news

3046
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,480
god no um you know one of the things i

3047
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:36,320
was thinking of when you were talking

3048
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:37,520
earlier

3049
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,480
about you know the possibility of these

3050
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,560
things being interdimensional

3051
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,760
it seems to me that you know maybe i'm

3052
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,960
wrong but

3053
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:49,760
for someone to travel unless they're

3054
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,560
sent

3055
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,199
or whatever through whatever it is to

3056
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,119
get into this dimension let's just

3057
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:57,920
follow that line you know that line of

3058
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,800
thinking

3059
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,080
um you would think the beings would be

3060
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:03,760
of great intelligence and

3061
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:07,360
you don't really see like actions

3062
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,280
when it talks about the bigfoot and the

3063
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,960
screaming and the uh

3064
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,639
you know they the odor that you can

3065
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,480
smell them from you know half a mile

3066
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:16,239
away stuff like that

3067
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:18,000
but you don't you don't really see in

3068
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:19,280
intelligence in

3069
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,679
these beings or any of these beings that

3070
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:23,520
all of a sudden show up and disappear

3071
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:27,440
what do you think about that uh

3072
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:29,119
it's just different types of reaction

3073
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:30,400
one thing you just mentioned about the

3074
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:31,119
smell

3075
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:33,280
yes a lot of people talk about this very

3076
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,000
strong overpowering odor like something

3077
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,760
rotten egg saul first time has been dead

3078
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,000
for a long time but in many cases there

3079
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,080
is no smell whatsoever

3080
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,920
my theory is that i don't again it's

3081
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,080
just a theory that the smell is somehow

3082
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,000
related to the process of these things

3083
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,800
appearing and disappearing but um

3084
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,080
intelligence wise

3085
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:54,239
i i it's really hard to comment on that

3086
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,600
because different reactions

3087
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,400
but one reaction i've seen an increase

3088
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,239
in reports in recent years the different

3089
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:03,440
cryptic case investigate is that

3090
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,600
when these creatures realize that the

3091
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:07,840
human observer can see them

3092
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,400
they have a startled reaction which some

3093
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,920
people can see on their face and how

3094
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,679
they move their mouth and their teeth

3095
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:15,840
they have a startled reaction when they

3096
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:18,080
realize that the humans can see them

3097
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:22,639
why it's very interesting how about that

3098
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,199
it almost makes you wonder if uh you

3099
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,119
know maybe they're

3100
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:28,800
thinking they're in another spectrum or

3101
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:30,800
something where we can't

3102
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:33,040
visually see them or maybe that's where

3103
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,400
they are some of the time

3104
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:37,360
or whatever uh yeah that's that's a

3105
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:38,159
whole nother

3106
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,080
michael want to know have there been

3107
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:44,159
any dogman encounters through

3108
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:45,119
pennsylvania

3109
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,880
as seen in wisconsin yes there have been

3110
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:51,199
a number of dogman sightings that myself

3111
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:52,719
and other investigators have looked into

3112
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,600
the years

3113
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:56,320
but if you go back to 1973 with that

3114
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:57,280
major outbreak

3115
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,800
and if you read through my solid

3116
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:01,360
invasion book the one thing i brought up

3117
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,080
was that

3118
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,159
you had many of the so-called typical

3119
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,000
bigfoot sightings of something six to

3120
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:08,159
nine feet tall covered with hair no neck

3121
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,199
long arms

3122
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,199
but then there were some variations we

3123
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:12,880
had some reports where these things

3124
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:15,600
were smaller and more muscular some were

3125
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,119
taller and thinner

3126
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,960
and then i had some cases where people

3127
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:21,040
were i mean literally

3128
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:23,040
two to three feet away from these things

3129
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,480
that close

3130
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,800
and they were looking i mean in one case

3131
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,520
the woman

3132
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,360
was literally looking face to face at

3133
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:31,760
this thing uh between a screen

3134
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:34,080
in a window she was in she was caught up

3135
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:36,159
early in a bathroom visiting a friend

3136
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:38,239
and there was a foundation house low to

3137
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,280
the ground

3138
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:41,119
she began to hear these strange sounds

3139
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,000
outside and suddenly this thing rises up

3140
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:47,119
and this thing has she described the

3141
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,719
face of looking more like a wolf or a

3142
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,239
dog

3143
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,280
blowing eyes large thing like teeth

3144
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,679
i mean look directly into its face i

3145
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:57,199
mean i talked to her she called the

3146
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:58,159
state police and they

3147
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,760
patched me in to talk to her they sent a

3148
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,679
trooper out and

3149
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,119
and then i'll tell you an interesting

3150
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,280
part of the story she gave a very

3151
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:07,119
detailed account of what she saw

3152
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,760
she was so scared that she made those

3153
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:11,280
people take her to her home several

3154
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:12,639
miles away

3155
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:15,440
within the hour the same or another

3156
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,360
creature shut up at her house

3157
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:19,199
and i've had other cases where the same

3158
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:20,560
thing has been reported it's not that

3159
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:21,280
common

3160
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,719
where the same thing has happened where

3161
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:24,239
somebody's seeing a bigfoot a certain

3162
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:25,040
location

3163
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:26,560
within a short time later they go

3164
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:29,600
somewhere else and a bigfoot shows up

3165
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:32,719
wow almost like it was following them in

3166
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,440
some type of fashion in a way

3167
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:39,440
it sounds like yeah we don't have the

3168
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:42,080
answers but that's what people reported

3169
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,960
yeah um here's a good uh good point that

3170
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:46,480
uh rob is making

3171
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,880
in the interventional uh theory uh

3172
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:53,600
why would they need to raid trash cans

3173
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,920
because

3174
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:55,040
that's one of the things you do hear

3175
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:58,320
about a number of people have

3176
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:00,719
noted that you know a bigfoot was in

3177
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:02,159
their trash can digging through their

3178
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,199
trash can

3179
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,800
i have heard that now i don't know if

3180
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:06,400
there's any truth to that again

3181
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:09,520
who knows but uh so i thought that was

3182
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:12,400
an interesting take

3183
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:14,639
and yes we've heard those stories we we

3184
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,880
realized years and years ago

3185
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:19,199
that these things left apples corn and

3186
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,800
berries particularly

3187
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,560
and yes over the years reports of

3188
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:24,000
chasing deer and carrying deer over

3189
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,199
their shoulders

3190
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,600
um wow but that's the type of thing

3191
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,840
we've had and again

3192
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,760
so much we don't have an answer for but

3193
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,040
these are the kind of things have been

3194
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:35,199
reported for a long long time

3195
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:39,280
and so it's um it's there's so many

3196
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:41,199
little details as you talk about you

3197
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,800
bring these details out

3198
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,719
and you talk about the smell i'll tell

3199
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:46,159
you an interesting case and this was

3200
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,560
down

3201
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:48,639
in around dairy outside of lake trout

3202
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,239
back during 73.

3203
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,239
i smell again i told you i never saw

3204
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,719
bigfoot there was a couple farms out in

3205
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:56,159
that area where the people that owned

3206
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:57,280
the farm said these things

3207
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:59,760
appear oddly would come back so my team

3208
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:01,440
even though we're very busy on multiple

3209
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:02,080
cases

3210
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,920
we tried to stake out some of these

3211
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:05,600
places and one night

3212
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:07,679
um i got a call from one of the families

3213
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:10,000
that creature just been back on the farm

3214
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:11,920
so we got our team and hurry back out

3215
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,840
there when we got out there we found

3216
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,040
three-toed footprints

3217
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,679
in the barn the animals again and their

3218
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,920
farm that wouldn't make a sound

3219
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,760
they had it was dark there was a big

3220
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,119
corn field there

3221
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:25,760
and something way ahead of his bipedal

3222
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,960
was taking

3223
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:29,040
large strides running away from us in

3224
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:30,000
the cornfield

3225
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,080
making this very loud uh heavy breathing

3226
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:36,080
asthmatic-like sound

3227
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,840
i chased it we chased it through the

3228
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,920
cornfield i recorded the sounds

3229
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:41,679
whatever it was we could never catch up

3230
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,840
to it but with a smell

3231
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,560
um i was take a police officer took me

3232
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,000
down to a house

3233
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:49,760
where two women had come to the police

3234
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,119
department

3235
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,360
and they went they wanted to see the

3236
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,199
creature they reportedly get shot where

3237
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:57,199
the rumor was going around that area

3238
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,119
that the police had shot had shot a

3239
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:01,040
bigfoot after so many sightings

3240
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:03,199
they went to see it because on this

3241
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:04,880
particular night

3242
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:07,440
it was a very warm night this woman was

3243
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:08,719
lying in bed

3244
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:11,199
and something awakened her she turned

3245
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,840
over

3246
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,360
the wind is only i think it was like

3247
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:15,280
three to four feet away from her bed

3248
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,480
and this creature is stooped down

3249
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,960
had the drapes open and staring directly

3250
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:22,639
at her she's looking right into the face

3251
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,280
of this thing

3252
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,000
the wind is nine feet off the ground it

3253
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,760
moved back from the window went around

3254
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:28,880
the other side of the house where her

3255
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:30,000
daughter was sleeping

3256
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,599
the daughter started screaming she just

3257
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,760
saw the biggest shadow she had ever seen

3258
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,840
and right about that time this horrific

3259
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:36,800
smell

3260
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:39,360
begins to encompass the area in their

3261
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,400
home

3262
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,920
and three days and they said they went

3263
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,159
to the police because they wanted to see

3264
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,000
if what that what she the mother had

3265
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,080
seen it was similar to what

3266
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,920
uh they had shot which of course was not

3267
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:52,159
the case it was an untrue rumor

3268
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:53,599
the police officer believed they were

3269
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,119
telling the crews had me come down to

3270
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:56,639
the house to interview them

3271
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:58,080
when i got into the house you could

3272
01:51:02,629 --> 01:50:59,760
still smell this rotten odor like

3273
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:02,639
something have been dead for a long time

3274
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,000
wow that that's crazy

3275
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:08,000
that's really crazy uh we've only got

3276
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:09,119
about three minutes

3277
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:12,480
left so um i think uh this is

3278
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,920
this has been a great show and i've

3279
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:16,080
really uh enjoyed speaking to you

3280
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:18,880
once again um just going back real

3281
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,239
quickly to the

3282
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:23,280
you know the mini ufos that that type of

3283
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:23,920
thing

3284
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,599
you mentioned that some of them are are

3285
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,199
structured but

3286
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,239
when they look like they're structured

3287
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:32,000
did they actually were they actually

3288
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,599
seen like in

3289
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,360
a home i know you mentioned a lot of

3290
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:36,800
these are i've seen

3291
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,480
have been seen indoors and things like

3292
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,920
that

3293
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,679
but not a structured one indoors it

3294
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,080
wouldn't be would it

3295
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:46,159
well some of them appear to be solid

3296
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,280
metallic

3297
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:48,800
and others just appear to be either

3298
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,280
transparent with a definite shape

3299
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:53,440
and sometimes it's just kind of a

3300
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,960
spherical light source of different

3301
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:56,880
colors so it depends on the situation

3302
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:57,199
but

3303
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,040
they have been reported uh indoor and

3304
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,920
yeah outdoor that amazing um and i i

3305
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,920
know i've actually talked to someone

3306
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:08,159
um you know years ago that said that

3307
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:09,520
they were in a room with a bunch of

3308
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:10,080
people and

3309
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:12,800
all of a sudden this ball light started

3310
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,119
like

3311
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:16,560
going from uh one room it went from one

3312
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,080
room into another and they

3313
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:20,159
jumped up and followed it and something

3314
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:21,440
about a

3315
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:23,840
a sink it hit a faucet or something like

3316
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:25,520
that and disappeared

3317
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,400
but i mean it's such a strange strange

3318
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,719
phenomenon the whole thing

3319
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:31,920
about everything we've talked about

3320
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,880
tonight's been pretty strange

3321
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,040
yeah so these cases go on and on i

3322
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:38,800
invite people go to my website they can

3323
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:40,719
get updates on their stan gordon dot

3324
01:52:44,189 --> 01:52:41,599
info

3325
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,199
uh they can email me too at pa ufo

3326
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,880
comcast.net it's on my website

3327
01:52:50,990 --> 01:52:49,040
uh phone numbers on there as well my

3328
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:51,000
book's available on amazon.com and

3329
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,119
barnesandnoble.com as well

3330
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:54,800
excellent well stan you've been

3331
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:56,159
wonderful as always

3332
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:59,280
and i hope to talk to you again and uh

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you know maybe another year or so would

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be great to have you back on

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it's always fun speaking with you all

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right

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the way things are looking now hopefully

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01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:09,040
by then it'll be a lot more to talk

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about

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yeah i guess there's a lot of activity

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all right you take care stan

3342
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and talk to you soon for having me on

3343
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:18,159
have a good evening yeah you too

3344
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:20,960
okay everyone so that is it for our show

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01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,000
this evening

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01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:24,480
and uh next week we have another kind of

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01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,760
well it's a

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01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:27,360
it's another different type of show

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we're going to be talking uh

3350
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,800
crop circles realities we're going to

3351
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:32,560
have two people on darcy weir

3352
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:35,760
and gary king now there is also a ufo

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01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,480
connection

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01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,480
to that and again we have a lot of great

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01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,000
things coming up

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01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,199
kathleen martin's the week after and uh

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01:53:47,149 --> 01:53:45,440
so uh again if you want to know who's

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01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:47,159
coming up go to our website

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01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,440
podcastufo.com and on the sidebar you'll

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01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,520
see an email list you can get on

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01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:53,920
and we send out one email per week and

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01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,119
it usually comes out

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01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,760
the day of the show with the blog and

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01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,040
who the guest is

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01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:01,679
and thanks so much everyone and we'll

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01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:03,119
see you next week

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01:54:09,380 --> 01:54:06,840
and remember to keep your eyes to the

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sky